We make 250,000/year. I'm not a f***ing billionaire

Jeff, thanks doing a very nice job of laying out an argument that I agree with fully.

However, you are clearly arguing with a troll. The recent post indicating an absolute misunderstanding of the meaning of a marginal tax rate should be a complete giveaway. This is not someone making 250,000 a year, this is someone who listens to Rush Limbaugh and probably is not old enough to have a real job.

To the OP, good trolling effort: over 500 replies and still going strong.

I will concede that argument because I really don't know if that is true

Hang on a second, but in your previous post you were "sure she is right about the inefficiency in government" - surely you've asked her to prove what she claims?

I don't want to belabor the point here, but perhaps efficiency isn't really a necessary goal of government - there are many things which government does which could be done more "efficiently" but that wouldn't mean they are done "correctly", or "fairly" or "justly".

For example, it would be more "efficient" if, instead of "guilty until proven innocent" we made anyone accused of a crime prove their own innocence - think of the savings in time and money to be made there!

In short, every time someone accepts without question, this false meme of government inefficiency it just perpetuates the myth that government should be "efficient" (that's not the same as saying that government is allowed to be "wasteful", but stopping this "inefficiency" talk needs to be about providing a different frame of reference on which to judge government services. Government shouldn't always be compared to the private sector, because it is a false equivalency).

In terms of paying for college, your EFC is much greater when you have more income.

Johnny Utah wrote:

In terms of paying for college, your EFC is much greater when you have more income.

No doubt. But he's choosing to pay $50,000 per year out of pocket for tuition. It's not as if there is no other option.

THIs thread is a joke.......

Our family survives(we don't live comfortable) on 72K a year take home. Guess what that pays for our auto insurance, kids health insurance, kids daycare, mortage, propoerty taxs,utilities, 403k.. etc... Did i tell you we don't have new cars? Yup, i drive a 95 honda Accord with 265k miles.....THe wife drives a 01 Yukon. None of htem were purchased new. THey were all purchased used and in CASH! 5k for the honda 3k for the Yukon! Another mans loss is anothermans gain! To be honest if i made an extra 72k take home. I wouldn't be complaning!By the way DADDY didn't pay for me to go to college. I worked and paid most of it cash. Still have a 15k student loan, but that was the price i had to pay to earn my title. We bought a house that we are renting....We moved back in with parents to help them out with the mortgage. Talk about a sacarifice! I am not asking for a handout! So at least in my mind, i can't imagine struggling at 250K. WE try to live debt free! We have minor debt(maybe $3,500)

If you saved 15% of your income, you be around $3,125 a month....by doing this you are socking away $37,500 a year inot your 401k! That means that your taxable income for the year just got reduced to $212,500. PAY YOUR SELF FIRST! Oh yes, you could have saved money for your childrens education You are in the high end of hte middle clase, ans my family is on hte low end of the middle class

As someone once told me "More Money More Problems"....

CT Coach wrote:

I will concede that argument because I really don't know if that is true

Jeff Wigand wrote:

I'd be interested how the numbers stack up against the perception.

you guys want to see numbers?

next time you have a spare $436 lying around, why don't you donate to the social government so they can buy a new hammer.

or how about $640 for a toilet seat?

wow, your socialist spending is so efficient and will solve all our social problems.

wow your kid is having a tantrum and spilled milk on the floor and crying.

why not give a million dollars of tax money to the town mayor so he can fix our social problems? he can babysit, and in no time your child will be well-behaved and quiet.

why not give a few million dollars to the city council, so they can fix cheating spouses, extortion, and drug dependence. all of our socal ills will be fixed, whether tangential or central if we just give more and more tax money to the bureaucracy.

Is this not correct?

sounds like a lame excuse.

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1985_37485

"But the catalog cost of the item is still more than $600, not the $27 it would be if the airman's suggestion were followed."

on the actual catalog, the armrest part costs over $600.

"According to the catalog, kept on microfilm at all Air Force bases where C5s are stationed, the 'hot beverage unit' for the giant aircraft still costs $7,622. When that price first was revealed a year ago, the Air Force defended it on grounds that the unit was more than a coffee pot, then reneged and promised to seek a better price.

'The Air Force assured me it was no longer going to buy this coffee brewer,' said Rep. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif."

are you going to call the politician, representative barbara boxer a liar?

"Since 2006, the Pentagon and both the Bush and Obama administrations have been trying to eliminate what they consider an unnecessary and expensive alternate engine for the Joint Striker Fighter, which is being built by General Electric and Rolls Royce. Yet Congress has earmarked more than $1.2 billion for the alternate engine since 2004.... members of Congress often ensure that losing bidders receive pork-barrel earmarks."

wow, your socialist government will automatically self-regulate itself into the most advanced, efficient form. we should put 100% trust and higher taxes to feed the monster.

Perhaps misinformed, according to Air Force Magazine:

brownsmith76 wrote:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/05/26/congresss_version_of_the_640_toilet_seat/

"Since 2006, the Pentagon and both the Bush and Obama administrations have been trying to eliminate what they consider an unnecessary and expensive alternate engine for the Joint Striker Fighter, which is being built by General Electric and Rolls Royce. Yet Congress has earmarked more than $1.2 billion for the alternate engine since 2004.... members of Congress often ensure that losing bidders receive pork-barrel earmarks."

wow, your socialist government will automatically self-regulate itself into the most advanced, efficient form. we should put 100% trust and higher taxes to feed the monster.

Yes, there is a lot of that in Congress:

But that's a result of the system we have, where politicians use their positions to please their donors.

i see. your answer to a government problem... is even more government.

i'd prefer an independent audit, thank you. instead of bernie madoff giving you his own personal audit.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/05/26/congresss_version_of_the_640_toilet_seat/

"Yet Congress has earmarked more than $1.2 billion for the alternate engine since 2004,"

you can feed a lot of homeless people with $1.2 billion, but i guess giving money to general electric and rolls royce is more important. plus 1 billion dollars is only a tiny percentage of overall tax revenue, so it doesn't even matter, right? just tax some more.

brownsmith76 wrote:

i see. your answer to a government problem... is even more government.

i'd prefer an independent audit, thank you. instead of bernie madoff giving you his own personal audit.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/05/26/congresss_version_of_the_640_toilet_seat/

"Yet Congress has earmarked more than $1.2 billion for the alternate engine since 2004,"

you can feed a lot of homeless people with $1.2 billion, but i guess giving money to general electric and rolls royce is more important. plus 1 billion dollars is only a tiny percentage of overall tax revenue, so it doesn't even matter, right? just tax some more.

I'd prefer an amendment to the Constitution that bars companies or individuals from contributing to a politician's campaign for national office.

CT Coach wrote:

Henry Ford realized that if his workers had more money they would buy his cars and instituted a $5 work day. Those higher wages allowed him to sell more cars and make a lot more money in the end.

You know, I've heard this claptrap attributed to me so many times I sometimes think people actually believe it. So, let me get this straight, I pay my workers a million dollars more (collectively) than I have to so that they have a million dollars to spend on my cars? And I am coming out ahead on this deal how exactly?

Look folks, you may or may not like me, but I can at least do some basic arithmetic. And giving folks money so that they can give it back to me and take a car off my hands while they're at it, well let's just say that dog don't hunt.

The OP makes 20k per month and you can't figure things out... my oh my life is so difficult...

Disagree.

People like the OP should be allowed to flourish and thrive.

Their taxes should not be raised just because liberals think they have room in their budget to suffer a little more.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

You don't seem to understand that you've got a moderate republican in the White House right now

You are one sick fuck.