yolop wrote:
Absolutely crazy.
Absolutely old news. NB, the same applies to foreign athletes who go to "training camps" in Kenya.
Not true for all foreign athletes.
British athletes are still subject to UK anti-doping testing wherever they are in the world. I'm sure a number of other nations are similar.
So what you are saying is that Wada go to Iten, they walk past all the doping kenyans and test only Mo and Paula and perhaps some other foreign athletes and ignore all those kenyans, then they go back home again?
Then come the Olympics, the clean Mo Farah beats all the doping kenyans?
(where have we heard that before?)
Well I guess Canova has been proven correct - clearly the drugs don't help kenyans.
Where's Hall going to train? I forgot.
Kenyans run long distance since early age , going to school running barefoot, at high altitude. That is their EPO.
Are they on their bike 6 hours a day too?
Hey, it's not about the bike.
The truth is just starting to leak out. I for one am glad it is. Track is likely as dirty as cycling with the exception that cycling has better testing. You will agree with me eventually.
An Impoverished country like Kenya has more pressing issues. Testing for PEDs does not come cheap.
So what you are saying is that Wada go to Iten, they walk past all the doping kenyans and test only Mo and Paula and perhaps some other foreign athletes and ignore all those kenyans, then they go back home again?
No. Wada don't carry out the testing. British athletes are tested by the UK anti-doping agency, so are all athletes from countries with their own trusted system.
Nations without any national system rely on the IAAF to carry out testing out of competition on behalf of WADA. That's why the likes of Kenya and Jamaica have an advantage when it comes to escaping from the testers, particularly as it's not in the best interests of the IAAF to start busting their prize pigs.
Correct, which basically means that athletes from 2nd/3rd world countries get tested at competitions and very rarely out of season. As many experts have said, you're an idiot if you test positive in competition.
It's naive to think any one country is clean no matter how talented the gene pool is. Not all are dirty, but the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
Sure Brits are blood tested when in Kenya? really sure?
Many western runners go to live in Kenya to get minimum AD exposure. Works for them. Make sponsorship money, never in the home country to actively endorse the sponsor, show up to 2 or 3 races, live like Kings in a 3rd world country, no testing when training/loading up in Kenya.
Take a look at the progression of the world record (and average of the top ten times for each event) in distance events over time (I believe the Science of Sport posted some interesting data). Then compare it to the timeline of PED's and most important; the timeline for an approved test for PED's.
Developing countries have huge needs besides testing for PED's. The IAAF has to fund these programs. Otherwise, the sport may suffer from the same fallout as cycling.
99.9% OF ELITES ARE DOPING! No, I cannot provide anything but circumstantial evidence. But serisouly, search your heart, do your research...you all have to know this is true! Stop living in a fantasy world and face the issue grounded in reality.
...and where was Taoufik Makhloufi training at last winter?
Thats right! Kenya!!!
Its simple, have the ALL athletes submitt a WADA blood test results 3-4 months out to meet organizers. Problem solved. Make it a requirement if you would like to compete in any meet. And for the love of god, start testing in Kenya, EPOpia, and Maracco!
trollism wrote:
So what you are saying is that Wada go to Iten, they walk past all the doping kenyans and test only Mo and Paula and perhaps some other foreign athletes and ignore all those kenyans, then they go back home again?No. Wada don't carry out the testing. British athletes are tested by the UK anti-doping agency, so are all athletes from countries with their own trusted system.
Nations without any national system rely on the IAAF to carry out testing out of competition on behalf of WADA. That's why the likes of Kenya and Jamaica have an advantage when it comes to escaping from the testers, particularly as it's not in the best interests of the IAAF to start busting their prize pigs.
Exactly. I've been saying for years that many Kenyans aren't tested at home due to lack of money and a national testing programme, but have been shouted down by the PC brigade on here. It's obvious to me that while athletes from other nations might well be using PEDs, they are far less likely to be caught, as they are submitted to random out of season testing by their pwn national authorities, as well as the IAAF. Those countries that have no national body scrutinizing their own athletes are bound to have far more opportunities to cheat while training in obscure places, and to get away with it!
True about Kenya. With the recent allegations surfacing, it would be perfectly justified to ban all Kenyan athletes from international competition for a few years until their federation puts in place some kind of objective PED testing program. The same measures were applied to the Chinese swimmers back in the 1990s.
That being said, national federations testing their own athletes can turn into a farce. Look at the US back in the 1980s when any positive test for their own athletes was essentially swept under the carpet bar one or two scapegoats who did not tow certain political lines. The Spanish were most likely similar in the 1990s as were the Brits in the build up to the last Olympics.
Exactly. I've been saying for years that many Kenyans aren't tested at home due to lack of money and a national testing programme, but have been shouted down by the PC brigade on here. It's obvious to me that while athletes from other nations might well be using PEDs as well when they train in places like Kenya, they are far MORE likely to be caught, as they are submitted to random out of season testing by their pwn national authorities, as well as the IAAF. Those countries that have no national body scrutinizing their own athletes are bound to have far more opportunities to cheat while training in obscure places, and to get away with it![/quote]
Mo Farah trains in Kenya every winter since he got really really fast!