Garrick Hollenbeck ran for UW- La Crosse in the mid 2000's and has been ripping the roads HARD lately
Garrick Hollenbeck ran for UW- La Crosse in the mid 2000's and has been ripping the roads HARD lately
What would you consider "elite"? Hitting an Olympic Trials standard? Garnering a professional contract? Top 10 at a U.S. Championship? Making a World team? Making an Olympic team?
I consider "elite" to be hitting an Olympic Trials time standard. And perhaps having a contract where you earn some money to run. Also, longevity/consistently at a high level in the sport- for more than just a year or two. The others I would put more in the "world class" category, of which only Bill Rodgers, Joan Benoit Samuelson, Brian Sell, and Nick Symmonds can be labeled as such from D3.
There are many more actual elites that make it in the professional running world from D3. Standing out most in my mind are Andrew Rock, Melissa Johnson-White, Josh Moen, Mike Morgan, and Pat Rizzo. More males than females it certainly seems.
D3forlifeee wrote:
The others I would put more in the "world class" category, of which only Bill Rodgers, Joan Benoit Samuelson, Brian Sell, and Nick Symmonds can be labeled as such from D3.
Obviously you just forgot Edwin Moses (2 Olympic gold + 1 bronze medals, 2 World Championship gold medals), and surely you've got to at least include Andrew Rock (1 World Championship silver medal + Olympic and World Championship golds on relay), and Clive Terrlonge (World Indoor Championship gold medal), right?
I don't think the older runners really count. D3 didn't really come together until 1973, which I think counts Bill Rodgers out.
Was UCI D III or DII when Steve Scott ran there?
Ryan Klimenhagen
Ryan Bak
Dan Meyer
Sandu Rebenciuc
Peter Kosgei
Tim Nelson
Liz Woodworth
just people I don't think have been mentioned.
I guess d3forlifeee hit it right... whats an elite...
All these runners ran pretty legit times off the top of my head... world class... no, but american elite for their era... yea, i would say so...
giddy wrote:
Ryan Klimenhagen
Ryan Bak
Dan Meyer
Sandu Rebenciuc
Peter Kosgei
Tim Nelson
Liz Woodworth
just people I don't think have been mentioned.
I guess d3forlifeee hit it right... whats an elite...
All these runners ran pretty legit times off the top of my head... world class... no, but american elite for their era... yea, i would say so...
Kleimenhagen - Maybe. He did break 4 in the mile one year after college, but then he hung it up. Never did anything in a US Championship. But I'll say breaking 4 means you're an elite.
Bak - 3 time Olympic Trials qualifier, so yeah I'd say so.
Kosgei - Certainly could have been, but he pretty much disappeared after bombing at XC nationals in 2009, then had the unfortunate incident in Kenya. I still wonder how fast he could have gotten if he had been able to keep training with no interruptions like he did from 2007 - spring of 2009.
Nelson - Well on his way. I really hope he keeps training after his eligibility runs out in November. There's a sub 13:40 5K and a US Championships berth waiting for him in the spring if he does.
I would also add Annick Lamar to this list. She made the Pan-American team this past year in the 1500 and was training with the NJNY*TC.
Even if you win the gold medal the stench of D3 will linger with you forever.
Clive Terrelonge - Lincoln Pa.
Dale Kramer - Carleton Mn.
iuf;yiugoigohoihyp wrote:
Clive Terrelonge - Lincoln Pa.
Dale Kramer - Carleton Mn.
Kramer was certainly elite in his day at the college level but didn't race seriously post college. Still among the fastest all time DIII for 5000 m.
And saying that pre-DIII doesn't count, that's more or less a technicality. Back in the old days they still had large and small college divisions, most of the subsequent DIII schools like Middlebury, Wesleyan, Carleton, or Pomona did not offer athletic scholarships. Those that did became DII.
Thomas Rollins wrote:
Even if you win the gold medal the stench of D3 will linger with you forever.
Which is why Edwin Moses never makes any all-time lists.
That comment on Edwin Moses has got to be the ULTIMATE understatement. I needed a good laugh today and that gave it to me. Thanks!
Bob Hodge. He ran for UMass-Lowell and was second in the D3 XC championships -- also a D1 all-american, not quite 3 seconds behind malmo in that race.
He was third at Boston 1979, and ran 2:10:54 at NikeOTC.
Scott Jurek, Tony Krupicka, Todd Williams...
Danny Henderson. Already mentioned, but deserves more recognition. He was THE MAN.
Didn't Todd Williams go to Tennessee?
Amby Burfoot--winner Boston Marathon...also Bill Rodgers roomate at wesleyan
Mike Spain 3rd at nate. Ben sathre 109 hm
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