fastest marine corps boot camp 3 mile run

At TBS at Quantico my daughter ran 17:20.

Nope. But killing lots of savages does help!

mango genocide wrote:

Does being a fast distance runner prevent one from getting blown into bloody chunks by an IED?

yes, because most fast distance runners are big vaginas that rather occupy wallstreet than man up and join the military during a time of war.

ah, but did she carry her own pack the entire way on the 25 mile hump (assumign they still do that) & finish in time? That would be more impressive..

Yes she did as well as another marine's who was in bad shape on the 25 miler.

Right - I'm throwing the BS flag on that one, chief..

I actually wouldn't be too surprised. Did a lot of pack carrying for other recruits who were falling out on the humps in basic. The people I got along best with in basic were the team oriented guys who wanted to work together and have everyone help each other out (which, sadly, is pretty rare across the Corps).The runner/endurance mindset of just grinding through annoying/tough stuff definitely gets you a long ways in boot and the fleet. Basic is just mind over matter. The real BS call is on the guy who said there's a 80% washout rate. 20/30% at most. Also, definitely lost aerobic fitness in basic. Was in mid 16 shape when I shipped, ran 8:15 for 1.5 miles on the second or third day after I shipped, and then ran 18:06 for the 3 mile 80 some odd days later at the end of basic for the final PFT. I was 4th in the company, I think the fastest kid ran 17:30-ish. We had a couple of senior DI's go out and duke it out on the final PFT and they were about 17 flat, which is pretty smoking fast for most any Marine. In 4 years the fastest PFT I saw was 14:50, and that was a SSgt who ran for the all-Marine team. There was 1 other kid in m company who could break 17, it was always fun racing against him. After that, there was usually a 45-60 second gap back to third, which is a fairly typical spread in most units. I had a friend who went to MARSOC A&S, he said the top kid from his platoon did a 16:30 3-mile (mostly on sand though, from what I hear), but even then there weren't too many guys going under 18 (although the spread wasn't as bad). The really impressive thing was the 12-mile pack run (45 lb pack?), in boots and utes, over rolling terrain, in 1:47 and change. Whoever did that set the A&S record, I believe. Also, I read an interview with Kenny Cormier (spelling?) about a year after I hit the fleet. He ended up getting attached to 2/3 or 3/3 out in Hawaii and qualified for scout sniper, said in the interview that although he didn't run much anymore he "appreciated having that background when he was sprinting uphill under fire", or something like that.

First thing: Dan Browne was an Army Officer, not a Marine

The Marine Corps PFT is the most pure and toughest of the service branches. It is the standard for all Marines, officer and enlisted.

*Here is someone who probably ran a fast Marine Boot Camp 3 miler: Two-time Footlocker Finalist--Eric Kweder -- from NoVA joined the Marine Corps for a few years and ran for the All-Marine Sports. 9th in 1995 [http://www.footlockercc.com/history/finals.php?year=1995&Button1=Go] and he was 17th in 1996:

http://footlockercc.com/history/1996boys.htm

He was discharged about 10 years ago. His 5K times were low 14's --- he ran with the old Enclave in Georgetown on weekends and won several road races in the DC Metro area

Yes, the distance running requirement does seem kind of soft to trained runners, but most trained runners could meet very few, if any, of their other requirements.

Not sure about the fastest Marine Corps time, but I'm pretty sure Dan Browne has it for the Army, unless Joseph Chirlee has run faster since.

No kidding. Marines have always been Marines since the days of the Continental Congress and Colonies. Time Magazine (remember when there were print magazines and print newspapers? wow that was agaes ago) wrote in the 1960s that Marines are 1/20th of the military population yet have more non-Honorable discharges that the rest of the 19/20ths. Also Marines have more courts martials, more prisoners, more NJPs, more in-training deaths/casualties, more hospitalizations, etc. than the rest of the 19/20ths.

MOS 5831 wrote:

Not counted as "failures" are forced transfers from MCRD to the US Navy or US Army. As civilians, Marine recruits voluntarily signed a contract with the Department of Defense and are still obligated for the duration and are on active duty in the military.

They don't count those given Medical Discharges as "failures" but as casualties of training exercises.

Also they don't count those given Bad Conduct Discharges and Dishonorable Discharges as "failures" but as those separated due to disciplinary and/or criminal reasons.

The only recruits counted as "failures" are those given General Discharges. It's for those who really tried their best, were not disciplinary problems, nor were criminal in behavior while in recruit training. But could not physcially nor mentally meet the requirements of the Marine Corps. While being separated were evaluated and deemed as unfit for other branches of the U.S. military.

Charlie & I were discussing TBS, not boot camp.. The 25 mile hump was something we were evaluated on. You could conceivably fail it & move on, but it didn't look good. There's no way a girl humped her combat load + someone else's - at least not for longer than maybe 1/4 mile, if that..

ahh, so cormier was a grunt after all. that's cool, i wonder if he is still in. i believe that A&S record was set this past january. one of my old squad leaders went through the january A&S class and was talking about some captain that set a record for the pack run. speaking of A&S's "pack run", i've heard that the supposed 45-lb pack is actually more like 55 or 60 after water/chow and what not.

BOOMHAUER wrote:

There's no way a girl humped her combat load + someone else's - at least not for longer than maybe 1/4 mile, if that..

I agree, and I wouldn't even believe a 1/4 with two packs. I ran 17:25 at the end of TBS and had a female about 2-3 sec behind me. The next one was several minutes later.

I graduated OCS in August 2009, Bravo Company 2nd platoon.

My platoon picked up with 68 candidates and we ended with 40, so an attrition rate of about 40%. This was pretty comparable to other platoons in my company, but I can't really speak batallion wide. Of those a few guys went home with broken bones(broken ribs and stress fractures). One guy got pneumonia and could no longer physically train, another two or three got URIs(upper respiratory infections). We had 4 guys DOR, drop on request. After 4 weeks you are allowed to do so at least in PLC. By the end of OCS I would estimate that most all but 2 or three guys could run under 20:00 for three miles, and probably 6-8 ran under 18:00. I ran 18:05 at my fastest at OCS. I ran 16:23 for three miles in HS and 4:36-10:12 for 1-2. When I completed OCS I was about 195 lbs or so. The physical training is pretty intense, and from what I was told by prior enlisted men is significantly harder than the physical training at MCRD. Our fastest guy was a real skinny mexican who probably weighed about 130, and ran just under 17:00 on the pancake flat course.

LOL! You have girls in OCS so how tough can it be ;-)

Paul Ryan said he ran it sub 16.

Paul was one of the toughest soldiers in the USMC. Which branch of the military did you freaing crybaby libs serve in?

I did not go to Boot Camp, as I was a commissioned officer. However, I ran 15:11 for the TBS three mile course in the summer of 1987 (Fox Company) and 46 minutes for the endurance course, which I was told was the record.

I was not the fastest guy in Fox Company, either. When I ran 15:11, however, it was fastest that day. There was a guy who ran low 15 at a later PFT. We had a good group of about three or four of us that would push each other. It was a lot of fun. We'd try to be the first one to the turn-around and then hold on the whole way back. Those were fun, fun times.

That three mile course is short and we knew it.

Good times.

In Airborned School(1978), we had to run the 2 mile (Not 3200), I ran 9:52 and lapped everyone at least once and most of the others two or three times. No one finished within a lap of me, same as below.

Later in boot camp ran the PT test in Boots and full combat uniform, ran 10:10 and lapped everyone at least once.

BTW: ran on cinder tracks with holes and water pubbles, each run consisted of about 4 groups of 60. Never had so much fun, everyone thought I was a Olympian! I just laughed knowing not even a local Jr college wanted me. PR in HS. 4:29/938/1501 twice(3miles) belonged to a weak division in HS, rarely Lost in HS until State regionals. Small schools in Illinois. I remember one time I won 12 races in roll, running in corn fields cut out by bush hog, fire roads, dirt paths, mowed out tall illinois grass, etc...those where the days...I was God, I mean pretty Good.