Call a spade a spade. You're the sort that runs, jogs and walks 25 miles and tells his only friend (brother) that he just finished running a marathon.
Call a spade a spade. You're the sort that runs, jogs and walks 25 miles and tells his only friend (brother) that he just finished running a marathon.
Pretty convinced you will not see improvement, in fact will almost certainly see a decline in your performance if you are truly going balls to the wall every day. At least for me, hard racing is likely weight lifting, if you go balls to the wall, you need recovery days to see improvement. Likely a better idea to try this approach 2-3 times per week and ensure some recovery.
+1
I would like to see how you do with the strategy of running faster than current race pace for 3 laps then trying to condition yourself to hold on better the last quarter [This is similar to what Brooks Johnson used to have his runners do in actual cross country races]. However, if you do it every day you will just get slower or hurt, and more importantly it will be less entertaining for us. Give yourself a chance and limit this to 2 or 3 days a week.
this is a better idea. run a mile everyday. 1 mile and 1 mile only. start off with jogging pace which is about 9:00. everyday, run the mile 1 second faster.
ie
day 1: 9:00
day 2: 8:59
day 3: 8:58
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day 365: 2:55
it's amazing how this works, it's only 1 more second a day. it's as easy as 1 2 3
collegerunnar wrote:
Yeah France wrote:I tried to do this for all of 2012. My mile PR is under 4:10 and my 10 mile PR is under 53:30. I lasted until January 26th before I could do no more. I ended up with an IT band injury followed by a hamstring injury that kept my mileage below 30 mpw until August.
lol i tempo 10 miles in under 53:30 every week.
Nice dude you should write a book or something!
why don't you just train like a normal runner and not a retard
collegerunnar wrote:
Yeah France wrote:I tried to do this for all of 2012. My mile PR is under 4:10 and my 10 mile PR is under 53:30. I lasted until January 26th before I could do no more. I ended up with an IT band injury followed by a hamstring injury that kept my mileage below 30 mpw until August.
lol i tempo 10 miles in under 53:30 every week.
Wow, you're awesome. Everybody is so impressed. Good for you. Ignored as a child?
Why don't you just post like a normal person and not a retard!
OK, day 2 in the books. I've read through the thread, here are some answers to questions:
Yesterday was not my mile PR. I ran 4:19 for 1600, 4:23 indoor mile in high school. I did not run in college. I run road races now, from 5k to half-marathon, and work full time.
Yes, I know the difference between a 1600 and a mile. The track I use is a 400m track, so I add 9-plus meters.
I don't have time to start a blog, barely have time to post here.
My training average is 60 miles per week, high of 80. I typically rest one day.
My experiment is what it is, I plan to run at a pace that is as harder than I have ever gone for the mile, and induce rigor mortis, just to see how long I can hang on. I will break when I feel I have reached a point that makes sense, maybe 30 days, take a few days off, and see if I can come back much faster than baseline.
Day 2:
3 mile warm up.
60
62
66
81 = 4:29
3 mile cool down.
I felt fine today, until about 1400m. I went through the final lap in 36 at 200m, then got shut down. Basically dragged my body across the line. I did not "see colors," as Fam said, but certainly wasn't in a good state. Definitely ran the first 1200 better than Day 1. Felt pretty good after the cool down and stretching, so will try to repeat the first 3 laps as is, and see if I can hold on longer tomorrow.
Well, you took your 1200 down from 3:12 to 3:08, remedying your first day dissatisfaction with the third lap. You also took 2 seconds off of your total time, so this experiment in physical training and mental toughness worked for you so far. Good luck for those coming up.
The problem with this idea is that pace isn't the same thing as effort. You seem to be focused trying to find ways to keep going while drowning in lactate, rather than finding ways to run faster without increased effort.
Since your workout is basically to dump lactate on yourself, you might as well dump it even faster and run 800 meters instead of a mile.
This thread is ridiculous but kind of entertaining.
Bad Wigins wrote:
The problem with this idea is that pace isn't the same thing as effort. You seem to be focused trying to find ways to keep going while drowning in lactate, rather than finding ways to run faster without increased effort.
I kind of like the idea the OP is pursuing but Wigins brings up a good point. The goal should be run what is 95% of what the OP is capable of for 1200 and try to hang on. Now that is ~3:10 followed by a 78-81 final lap. Eventually as others have pointed out, he will be able to run 3:10 and then run 68-71 on the final. I agree and like this approach. Problem (as Wigins points out) is that by running solo, OP will just improve to 3:05 and continue to die on the last lap. When will he ever optimize? I guess on the race day maybe.
I won't have time to run when I usually do today, so I decided to run at 5 in the morning. I was feeling a bit sore, but it was tolerable.
Day 3:
4 mile warmup.
59
61
69
78=4:27
As I went through 1200, I was feeling like shit. My legs were shot and to top it all off, I had eaten a chimichanga only several hours before so my stomach felt like it was about to drop something bad... and it did. At around 1450 I dropped a huge one all over myself and it was running along my leg. The smell alone gave me a second wind to finish up as quickly as possible. I ran the last 200 in 35.
I can already tell that I won't be doing this for much longer. I'm starting to feel the effects of this experiment. Tomorrow I may just do an 800 as fast as I can, idk yet though.
stupid, i like how so many people prefer to answer this question than mine
Hate to be the one to call it but this is fake. Quit making up times and trying to get people to talk to you.
I had exactly the same thought after day 3, Dennis.
What is likely to happen is:
1) Some initial improvement week 1
2) A peak somemtime in week 2
3) Plateau but up and down days in week 3
4) More mental and physical fatigue in week 4
5) If outdoors, daily wind speed will be huge factor, windy days will be awash.
6) On that note, forget about rainy days.
it depends on where you live, what outdoor track you will use at what time of day.
7) You will prove the law of diminishing returns
8) Doing the same thing every day in any sport is no recipe for gains.
Need two more for a Top 10 but hey, good luck and keep us posted.
If running a flat out mile everyday is going to lead to burnout, like everyone is saying, then how often could someone do it effectively?
The most effective way to see gains physically would probably be once a month. Mentally you would benefit from once a week. I think to do the most but not be on the verge of burnout might be twice or three times a week.
When you give your 4 splits, which lap has the extra 9 meters?