Wilson Kipketer: A 1:38 800 Is possible Within 4 Years

moron

you haven't a clue

idiot

he ran a 1'43.5 solo

your peabrain not comprehend that drafted to bell on circuit that was 1'43.0

then he also ran the initial 300 in lanes, making pace judgement very difficult, whereas now on circuit break is at 150m

your numbskull not comprehend that is a few tenths quicker at 1'42.7/1'42.8

then factor in 400 was his main event & only took up 800 running in '76 & was far too heavy at 185 to be at optimal weight for 800

your peabrain can't comprehend basic physics that losing 5 pounds of excess weight from 185 woud offer him 1s improvement over 800

no you f*cking idiot

i've only said ryun was capable of hugely faster of 1'41/quicker

- snell - low-1'42

- kiprugut - high-1'42

- kipkurgat - high-1'42

there is no 1'41 mentioned you moron

because he was by far the best talent ever seen in 800 & 1500 even though he was training primarily for 1500

a 46-relay leg in '66, before his prime year, on a sodden dirt track is as good as any speed of anyone not named caballo/rudy

on top of this he brought unmatched 1500 ability

Do you really believe that you offer anything of value and/or impress anyone?

deanouk wrote:Oh, like a 1:42.3 at 22 and part time athlete doing his finals at Uni, is SO FAR away from 1:41.7 at 24!

Idiot!

moron

he was at a sports uni with no academic reputation

he hardly hard to study at all to get a degree in a dump like loughboro

it was a nowhere for academia back then

when it's mentioned in same breathe as oxford or cambridge or university of london, then it's worth having a degree from there

he was training as near to full time as possible as he had no academic strain worth noting

as for 1'42.3, any grwon up that time knew that was at least 1s anyone ever expected from him in his career

it was doubtful he woud break the wr & if he had, it wouda by not much - maybe a coupla tenths, a 1'43.2/1'43.3

that is what grown-ups in '79 expected, not the fantasy of some kid who was in short pants at the time & hardly use a knife & fork

his 1'42.3 was plenty dubious for guy with a previous 1'43.8pb back then

moron

kaki got virtually no drafting

he was 4 - 5m behind most of 2nd lap & at 600 - 700 it got even bigger

kaki made a monumental effort to close around the bend

kaki's low-1'42 is perfect value for him

no

moron

he's still good 3/4s slower than kaki

they are not comparable 800 talents

moron

kaki only ran 1 1500 in '11 & that was 3'31.7 when he lost in a photo-finish for 2nd with chepseba who went onto 3'30.9 in nowhere zagreb & 3'29.9 this year

that was the monaco race with appalling pacing with the commentator offering that they'd lost 2s thru rubbish pacing, despite silas winning with 3'30.4 - the pacing inadequacy was obvious to anyone who watched it

kaki was worth close to 3'30-flat that day with proper pacing - close enough to ovett

i'd take a peak kaki anytime over ovett over 800

as for 1500, i doubt ovett wins more than by a stride - ovett is no quicker than chepseba & he beat kaki by a fraction

After Beamon jumped 29 feet in 1968, did any respected track & field analyst/former athlete predict that someone would jump 30 feet by 1972? After Coe ran 1:41 in 1981, did anyone predict sub-1:40 by end of the 80s? When Lee Evans and another runner (Ron Freeman I believe) became the first to break 44, were there predictions of 43.5 on the horizon?

Sure, Kipketer could be right. Or 1:40.95 might stand for 20 years. Who knows? As soon as a record gets broken, people are predicting when it will get broken again and almost invariably those predictions are too soon.

ventolin^3 wrote:

you waste my time

You seem to do an awful lot of that yourself

You really are a fool. Just look back and see how often you contradict yourself.

Firstly it doesn't matter how prestigous a Uni Loghborough was, Coe is on record as saying he was only training twice a week in the months leading up to Oslo 79 due to preparing for his finals, and stated that he was only 80% fit before the race. A further attack on the WR was planned for Brussels, but he got injured training in Hyde Park after Zurich and had to end his season early.

Secondly, you question anything said by one athlete that doesn't sit comfortably with you; i.e basically calling them liars; but you're happy to take as gospel when Ryun said he didn't feel too great before a race, and proceed to knock a second or two off the time he actually produced as a result.

Thirdly, you stated earlier in this thread that Coe went from 1:44.0 to 1:41.7 due to weight training. Now you're suggesting it's dubious. Make your bloody mind up!

So, going 1:43.9 to 1:42.33 from 21 to 22 is dubious, despite a marked improvement in 400 speed (which you yourself is saying is what is needed by top 800 guys)and increased use in weights between those 2 years. But an 18 year old from nowhere going 1:47 to 1:41.7 in an Olympic final isn't?? Maybe if Coe had been an African you wouldn't display such double standards.

Fourthly. Anyone with any awareness could see that Coe was already close to the WR in 78. With ideal conditions in Europe he was around 1:43.4 in 78. He improved a second in one year. Plenty Africans improve a great deal more than that from one year to the next, but thats obviously due to sheer natural talent isn't it!

Why bother arguing with him? You must be a masochist?

No, you've said Ngeny was a 1:41 guy, Ereng & Konchellah, despite all having pbs nowhere near.Strange that they're all Kenyans.

You used to say Ryun was capable of 1:42 on synthetic a few years back, then it became 1:41 a year or two ago, and recently he's suddenly been capable of 1:40 low! In other words better than any other 800 runner ever. The idea that someone 40 + years ago with a hand time pb on synthetic of 1:44.3 was actually capable of 4 secs faster, thus making him the WR holder for 45 years is utter bulls**t.

He was not the best talent ever seen at 800m, please!

And this claim is based on what? ...a 46.9 (so basically a 47 flat, which it is listed as in various reference books I've seen, not a vague "46" that you claim)hand timed relay split which I doubt any poster on here has ever seen on video. You usually add a second when converting relays to open 400's so its at best worth a 47 high. With the 0.2 for hand timed compared to electronic, its more like 48 flat. Even if you want to do your trick of taking a second off from cinders to dirt (something which has no scientific backing), we get 47 flat. How does that compare to Rudisha's 45.5 in March or Kipketer's 45.4 relay or Coe's 45.6 relay from a standing start?

And since when has the track become rain sodden? That's a new one. Next year you'll be telling us that there was a hurricane blowing and he went down with pneumonia the next week!

Moreover, what he did in 66 bears no relation to what he was doing in 67. You can't transport form in one event in one year into form in a different event the next year. His endurance may have improved, but that does not mean his speed did as well.

Masochist eh?

Ventolin, how do you function in day to day life with your speculations. "I ran 1:44.5 today but I had cheerios instead of rice bubbles for breakfast. I didn't feel the best so I am likely a 1:43.5 guy. I actually hadn't shaved my head either which increased wind resistance so you can knock off another second. Come to think of it, the news said it was a bad day for pollen and I have well documented hay fever. Surely that's another second. I guess I'm actually around 1:41.5. Wait a minute, wait a god dang minute; I have never done olympic lifts before and common knowledge equates that to 2 seconds! OMG I am the first man to break 1:40. HEY EVERYONE I JUST BROKE 1:40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

That about sums it up.

Icantbelieveitsnotbuffer wrote:

Ventolin, how do you function in day to day life with your speculations. "I ran 1:44.5 today but I had cheerios instead of rice bubbles for breakfast. I didn't feel the best so I am likely a 1:43.5 guy. I actually hadn't shaved my head either which increased wind resistance so you can knock off another second. Come to think of it, the news said it was a bad day for pollen and I have well documented hay fever. Surely that's another second. I guess I'm actually around 1:41.5. Wait a minute, wait a god dang minute; I have never done olympic lifts before and common knowledge equates that to 2 seconds! OMG I am the first man to break 1:40. HEY EVERYONE I JUST BROKE 1:40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Hahaha Ventolin so stupid.

The worst part of this whole Ventolin thing is that he's likely over 50 years old. Maybe older.

I can only imagine the mental disorders he has and frankly feel a bit sorry for him.

Usually a total internet tool breaks cover by accident but he is unflagging in his lunacy.

where you idiot ?

idiot

in a dump like loughboro, the last few weeks before finals is only time in 3y he wouda had to do any academic work

the other 2.75+ y he wouda had no academic pressure at all

utter drivel

that means he was going to run 25% faster when 100% ???

drivel

he had a 1'54.4 just 2/7 after oslo - a low/mid 1'43 wouda been acceptable

he had a euro cup with only a 1'47.2

finally, he had perfect opportunity in viareggio to produce a fast 800 & all he coud offer was 1'45.5

he had one good circuit race opportunity to back up that wr & came nowhere close

moron

his interview vid is there for anyone to watch

it explains perfectly why he went out in -ve splits which was unheard off & obviously not his intention if healthy

he was still good enough to get the wr even when ill

moron

i said one of the reasons

the other part woud be possibilty of blood-doping

idiot ended up with toxoplasmosis from likelihood of an infected transfusion

the chances of an adult with normal immune system picking this up from animal faeces is slim

what improvement ???

he went from 47.7 on a dirt track in '78 to 46.87 on synthetic in '79

that is little difference

he did weights, but no speed improvement '78 to '79

because he likely has close to 45-flat speed & some superb natural endurance as he hasn't had time to develop a big aerobic base

sure he may be doping, but tell me what drugs take you from 1'47 to 1'41.7 after 1y ???

moron

ryun & caballo are no africans

drivel

before london, his pb was 1'44.25 in brussels & then 1'43.97 in london in good conditions - same ones ovett broke 2 mile wr beating rono

that was no 1'43.4 in him in '78

no

1.64s

moron

there were only handful of africans running back then - an old boit & a guy in maina who coud only kick in a slow race

the talent pool from africa in running has gone up manyfold since then - not just kenya, but ethiopia, morocco, algeria & now unheralded parts like botswana

guys with little/no background but immense ability can expect huge performances

coe was known quantity from '75 onwards - never looked anything much until '78

breakthrus from established guys are far more dubious than new talents appearing & running fast

Drivel! Moron! Idiot! I'm 60 years old with the brain of a child. In my day we used dodads and nicnaks to estimate athletes times. Back in the day winds blew at 500 miles per hour so a 1:45 was worth a 1:22. Jim Ryun was the fastest half miler the world has ever and will ever see. My penis doesn't work anymore so I troll the internet. Ahh drivel! I dropped my dentures.

Signing off Ventolin P Hoffnagle

As usual, your comments are littered with inaccuracies.

He ran 1:45.4 in Viareggio, not 1:45.5. It wasn't a WR attempt. He had already broken 2 world records and was about to attempt a third a week later. He wasn't going to attack WR in every race, moron.

He showed his class nonetheless with a 24.5 last 200, beating Robinson by 1.1.

His 400 in 47.7 in 78 was not on cinders, as you incorrectly claim. Isleworth was a synthetic track. A year later he was running 46.8 after a heat. That was in early July. By late August he ran a 45.5 relay, worth 46.2 for open 400m. 47.7 to 46.2 is a big improvement.

Coe showed he was one to look out for in early 77 at age 20, when he front run to win the European indoor 800, missing the WR by 0.1. Then got injured, but came back to beat 1500m record holder Bayi in Mile in Sept.

78 and 79 showed natural progression.

he had a 1'54.4 just 2/7 after oslo - a low/mid 1'43 wouda been acceptable

Why is this curious Ventolin mentioning this 1:54? What does "1:43 would been acceptable" mean? It seems to me he believes 1:54 was the time Coe was capable two days after his wonderful 1:42,33? Wow, that's astonishing for someone who spends so many hours with thinking about times from distance races. But he obviously is ill and we always should be aware of this.

But I really criticize the administrators of this board, for not doing anything. It's a shame that one person is allowed to destroy almost every thread in which he appears.

To the original question: We definitely will not see a 1:38 time within the next four years. (For sure I also would have said this about a 9,58 100m-time back in 2007...). But a 1:40,5 is what I'm expecting, but I don't think Rudisha will do it. To be on the same level than the other distance records, it should be very close to 1:40. But the London final was something very special and there also is a very good chance that we will not see a sub 1:41 for many years to come, maybe even a sub 1:42...

LetsRun.com wrote:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201209190184.html

The Star wrote that Kipekter said:

"The athletes who ran in the 800m at the London Olympic Games are all under 25 years and this means they can still bring the record down to 1.38 in the next four years,"

Personally, we can fathom a 1:39 but 1:38??? My god.

Many years before we will see a 1:38.