bleu wrote:
I believe RT has a piece on AH this morning. It appears Hanson's isn't a certain. Keith is going to speak to Manhon before he makes a decision. It seems Desi would want her there but she doesn't run the team and it may be that she brings too much drama.
That article is from a couple of days ago. Wonder when she will announce where she is going or how long will it take to sort things out?
Hansons seems like the obvious choice but you never know.
Oh Lol wrote:
Well I guess Bauhs recent 66 minute half marathon solves the question of who forced who out. Obviously it was Hastings who made the decision to leave not Mahon
Nope.
Nope. wrote:
Nope.
Nope? Care to elaborate?
Mahon should fire himself for dating and marrying one of the athletes in his group.
ducksoup1 wrote:
Getting ten pairs of free shoes a year and three domestic fights is hardly a professional career. Let's be realistic about how how much the majority of these "professional" athletes are making. They do it for fun, not money. If these coaches want professional behavior from their athletes, they better be able to organize professional salaries.
I will gladly, out of pocket, buy you 10 pairs of shoes and a voucher for three domestic flights if you want to spend a year training with me. We'll see how much 'fun' you have while training in what I can promise you is a very professional and ultimately productive atmosphere. All I ask in return is for PR's every season and a willingness to run at 100% of your potential. When that kind of discipline earns you a shoe contract then the real fun begins.
Per your second point, coaches have virtually nothing to do with the salaries or contracts of runners. Other than the indirect impact involved in producing race times to be used as leverage, there is no link between coaches and the bottom line.
The condoms at the Olympics? Don't believe everything you read.
99% of "professional" runners in the US don't make any money. Coaches need to accept that it is not a career, just a fun thing to do for a few years after college.
If Bolt was on your team you would fire him? He violates every "rule" you mention.
The coach of the Mammoth team is in a relationship with one of the athletes on the team. How can he forbid his athletes from having relationships when he is doing the exact thing he forbids?
If it is a job, then the fired athletes can sue for wrongful dismissal. It would be interesting to see the coach explain to the judge that he fired the athletes because they were in a relationship with other athletes on the team when he himself is in a relationship with an athlete on the team.
you can sue "At Will Employment" contracts if you want to but it'll get thrown out
justsayinit wrote:
The coach of the Mammoth team is in a relationship with one of the athletes on the team. How can he forbid his athletes from having relationships when he is doing the exact thing he forbids?
I don't think Mahon has a problem with dating within the team - the issue in this case was one athlete being in a relationship with TWO other members at the same time. Or so the rumors say
justsayinit wrote:
The coach of the Mammoth team is in a relationship with one of the athletes on the team. How can he forbid his athletes from having relationships when he is doing the exact thing he forbids?
you're really that big of an idiot? Terrence and Jen have been married for over 10 years, long before he started coaching MTC, and probably long before you reached puberty (if you have yet, that is....)
He's the coach. She's an athlete on the team. If your boss was married to one of your coworkers, and you were fired for having an affair at work, would you question the decision? Perhaps Mahon shows favoritism to his wife, and the athletes have to turn to each other for emotional support. If Mahon is in a relationship with one of the athletes on the team, it is sending a message that it is appropriate.
bowtie wrote:
Hilarious Happenings wrote:[quote]hespeakstruth wrote:
This is the truth. It's Hansons way or the highway.
There is a big clusterfook brewing in Michigan. A young Prima Donna with lyme disease, a hard nosed I get what I want or else superstar, a couple of old meanies, add Hasty and Bizzary, and a whole gaggle of also ran guys, and 2 coaches who run a dictatorship and don't like input or to answer questions from athletes. Na.... I am sure nothing bad will happen.
You can almost feel the drama building. We need to to get Sage back to turn this into a reality TV show so we can watch it explode.
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Wow! A lot is going on in Mammoth Lakes. Well, here's some things to ponder. Who's left in town there? Deena (40 on Valentine's Day '13) & Jen R (39 in '13 & Coach's wife) are there, but Mother Time is catching up; neither competed in the Trials. Meb (37) is there with his family ... for how long? S Bauhs is still there without a sponsor & a couple of others.
Ucency? When asked where she lived in a recent video she said she lived in University Heights (San Diego). Stlll part of MTC???
Departures of Cragg, Hastings & Bizzarri (for whatever reasons) leave the Mammoth cupboard pretty empty in terms of prime, quality runners. Ryan & Sara Hall left the year before; Dobson long before that.
Add to that the problems of the Town of Mammoth Lakes. About 70% of their revenue comes from the tax charged on hotel rooms; no snow (like last year) = big drop in revenue. The number of workers employed by the Town is now down to 80, from 130 in the past 2 years.
What does this have to do with MTC? Housing subsidy for MTC runners, for one.
Well, the Town Council lost a court case some years back & was socked with a $32 million judgment. They appealed & have snce paid zero. Years later they ran out of appeals & are "negotiating" to NOW PAY the new accumulated total of $43 million (includes accrued interest & attorney fees!).
The poor town is going broke because it's not snowing and now they are finally forced to pay their creditor.
So where does the housing subsidy stand that the Town gives to the MTC runners?
How high on the Town Of Mammoth Lakes Priority List do you think subsidizing runners is?
Ask the 50 former employees & their families who lost their jobs. How long will subsidy last?
What is the impact on MTC if the subsidy goes away? Any guesses?
That was one of the selling points of going to Mammoth Lakes. I look down the list of top USA distance runners and, frankly, don't see altitude as a factor in the training regimens of many. The two Colorado Steeplers may be the exception in an event that is arguably the weakest in the USA.
P. S. The Town of Mammoth Lakes, California filed for bankruptcy last month!
http://mammothtimes.com/content/raw-mammoths-view-mlla-mess-how-it-started-and-what-has-happenedAs someone who's trained in Mammoth before I'm not shocked to see the group's "incest." It can be a lonely place at certain times of the year. Portland, Boulder and even Flag have plenty of good looking young folks but the pool in Mammoth is severely limited. There was another athlete relationship in that group last year or two but to my knowledge it's done.
Obviously Hansons has a strict policy on team dating and although extremely strict many team members view it as a necessary evil. I'm not sure what other coaches rules are like McMillan, Hudson, Jerry or AlSal but when you're trying to be a professional athlete you need to be professional so IMHO Hansons has the right idea.
The key is to not allow your dating to become drama. Some are good with it and others have trouble. That is impossible if anyone dates more than one person in a group.
justsayinit wrote:
99% of "professional" runners in the US don't make any money. Coaches need to accept that it is not a career, just a fun thing to do for a few years after college.
Could you show me the stats/data on these two assertions?
99% running for free seems pretty high for those that can be considered true professionals. In the running world forms of income would include gear, housing, medical insurance, prize winnings, grant money, shoe contracts, etc. 99 out of 100 have no income? Stunning.
You definitely need to make the rounds and let our nation's professional runners know that their pursuits are a lark. I would like to see you argue that point in Flag, Eugene, NJNY, etc.
If the coach is married to one of the athletes on the team, he is a raving hypocrite for forbidding relationships among the athletes. If the athletes were fired for being in a relationship, they should sue for wrongful dismissal.
mammoth-injustice wrote:
If the coach is married to one of the athletes on the team, he is a raving hypocrite for forbidding relationships among the athletes. If the athletes were fired for being in a relationship, they should sue for wrongful dismissal.
Understand the "employer - employee" relationship here.
The Mammoth Coach WORKS FOR the Athlete; the Athlete pays the Coach. So, the Athlete is the Employer and the Coach is the Employee unless there is a contract.
The issue isn't so much about Employer-Employee; it is about ... "we don't want you to be a member of Mammoth Track Club". Now, while the coach is paid by the runners (monthly + share of their prize money), he is also paid by many others (NYRR, USATF, Apparel manufacturers & others).
Don't feel bad about the coach; when you own properties in Mammoth Lakes & San Diego, you're doing OK.
Like any other situation, it is all about relationships (employer-employee and personal relationships). Some just don't work out. Time to move on.
Now, the MTC looks to be facing a bigger challenge with the bankruptcy of the Town of Mammoth Lakes and the housing subdidies are probably on the chopping block.
Also, most of these runners aren't actually employees themselves ... they have a contract with shoe companies ... they have to go out and buy their own health insurance, benefits, do taxes, etc. They are self-employed plus taking the risk of being an employer of a coach, also!
Amy has been having problems with Terrance for a long time.
She held it together through the Olympics and that's all she could do. Don't read more into it with message board trolls.
Well if she had "problems" with Terrance, pretty positive she's going to have problems with K + K Hanson, who control most aspects of your life as a professional runner.
problemsnotsolvedinmi wrote:
Well if she had "problems" with Terrance, pretty positive she's going to have problems with K + K Hanson, who control most aspects of your life as a professional runner.
Amy and Desi are best buds so I am pretty sure that Desi has shared all of these type of concerns. Amy knows what she is getting in to.