POLL: Does anyone think Makhloufi is clean?

And neither do you. You also have no clue as to how tired he was.

You know nothing about laws of diminishing returns. He made his move on back straight with a 12.4. He was never going to maintain that, doped or not. He then slowed to 12.9. You are now suggesting that at this point he "could have" increased his speed a second time to 12.2 in order to run 51.0! That's an extra 1.8 sec or about 13m. You are clearly ill. No one, including the doped up guys in the 90's/early '00's would have been capable of that. Even EL G in Athens. who put in his big drive at 300m with a 12.7, then slowed to 13.0 and then to 13.3 in the straight. And he was eyeballs out trying to come back to Lagat.

I repeat Makhloufi was never going to run faster than 13 in that last 100m. He was losing form from 100 out and only eased up the last 20m.

I like the way you try to make a point by saying Makhloufi "may be" in 3:26 shape. That's an opinion which you can't back up with any statistical evidence.

He IS IN 3:30 shape as that's what he ran in a well paced race in Monaco. No drugs is going to improve him by 4 secs in a week or so.

And the Olympics were run in 3:34, not especially fast. Coe did run considerably faster than Makhloufi at the end of an Olympic final in a faster 1500 race. 25.7, 12.7 (in his 3:32) compared to Makhloufi's 26.8, 14.0.

Idiot. Makhloufi's run nowhere near as impressive as Aouita's 3:29.7 performance.

For a start Aouita's run was 4.5 secs faster in pace, so his finishing splits should not be as good as Makhloufi's in a 3:34 race.

But Aouita ran the last 800 faster (1:50.0 to Mak's 1:50.3), the last 400 about the same (52.9 for Aouita, 52.8 for Mak). the last 200m faster (26.1 to 26.8) and the last 100m faster (13.1 not 12.8, to Mak's 14.0)

No comparison at all.

deanouk--

I have looked at the film again. I agree with you that the lead was less than 15m at the point where the curve ends. However, within 2 or 3 more strides, it was 15m, and even greater thereafter.

You are correct, though, in that he didn't seem to visibly let off until only 20m to go. When I said he let off in the last 100m, I mis-spoke, having meant to say that his last 100m was slower than his previous couple of 100's, not that he let off for the entirety of that last 100m.

Having said that, it actually doesn't look like he let up, until that last 20m. Like I said, the gap went from something less than 15m, to something like or greater than 15m, during the early part of the finishing straight, which wouldn't really have happened if Makhloufi had let up.

So, points for you, IMHO.

However, in your last line, you make the very same mistake you cricize your opponents for making: you assume that you know how hard he was going relative to what would be his 100% effort, and you assign that gap a 0.40 second time value--which, by your own logic, doesn't seem believable on its face.

i certainly appear to have more clue than you

he had crushed the field within 100m let alone 200m of that last lap

the last 100m was a cruise in

moron

he had expended virtually no energy in the jog to 1200m

he kicked in a fast 100, the next 100 was on a curve, which will be slower due to centripetal forces, then cruised the last 100 easing off considerably at the end

idiot

he had such a big lead in last 100 he put little effort in

he couda easily put in a low-12 in last 100 if needed

but idiot, it wasn't needed

with his ability, with pathetic pace to the bell, he couda gone 49/50 for last lap if flat-out from bell

a 51.0 for last lap when only kicking last 300 flat-out woud be in keeping with that, but he only kicked 200 of that

moron

which doped guys ??

moron

that was with a brutal total of 1'46 for last 800

maloofi didn't have to put any any effort from 700 - 1200 at all, just a jog to 1200m

if hicham had been in same position, of course he couda put in a 51.0 if he'd been that slow to 1200

moron

aouita put in 12.8 for last 100 in a 3'29.7 & he isn't in maloofi's class

moron

that's called experience

anyone with a clue knows when they see a 3'26 guy

clearly you don't idiot

same as no one reckoned nigel was a 1'41.7 guy from his 1'43.1 brief vid

he looked from brief vid/ people's description a possible mid/high-1'42 guy

stats were wrong moron

he was a 1'41.7 guy

moron

he finished 5th in that 3'30.8

no world beater - even willis whupped him

he has moved on by a quantum leap

if you can't see that, you are clearly biggest moron here

moron

maloofi only ran hard for 200m in all of 3'34 & that crushed the field

what part of your peabrain doesn't understand that only running a hard 200m in a still very fast time of 3'34 shows incredible ability if he deigns to run a flat-out 1500 ?!

moron

you haven't a clue

this run was hugely superior to anything aouita ever ran

idiot

if a guy can finish with 12.8 in a 3'29.7, then a guy with ~ 3'26 ability can finish helluva lot faster

get a clue

moron

i've checked the vid numerous times

aouita finished in 12.8

i've told you idiot, the freeze-frame shows aouita's foot beyond the 100m line & time on clock is 3'16.9

you are too f*cking dumb to comprehend this

maloofi with much quicker 100 ability & no serious exertion to 1200 wouda been much faster if he wanted

moron

aouita isn't in maloofi's class

Your waffling is wrong on so many levels.

First you say he could have run a 12 low in the last 100m to complete his race in 51 flat in 3:32. Based on your far fetched supposition that he had nearly 2 secs in reserve in the last 100.

This is clearly bs.

Then you say he could have finished in 49/50. That means his finishing time would have been 3:31. No one has ever run a sub 50 sec last 400 in any race faster than Gonzales's 3:45 in winning the European Cup in 87.

Morceli ran a 51.6 last lap all out in his 91 World Champ win in 3:32.8.

His last 4 x 100 went 12.8, 12.7, 12.7 & 13.3. More impressive than Makhloufi's closing splits and he was only a 3:31 flat runner in 91

Yet you are suggesting Makhloufi could have run his last lap almost 2 sec faster off a pace 2 secs faster, than Morceli!

When Cacho won the Olympic title in 92, he ran the last lap in 50.5, and his 100m down the back straight was 12.2, 0.3 faster than Makhloufi. He then ran the next 100m around the bend in 12.3, before slowing in the straight to 12.9.

So every 100m of his last lap was much faster than Makhloufi's, and he certainly wasn't capable of 3:26. In 92, Cacho's best was 3:32.69

In 93 Morceli won the World's in 3:34.24, with a last 800 of 1:49.4 (0.9 faster than Makhloufi), last 400 in 50.6 (2.2 faster than Mak's) & ran his last 4 x 100m in 12.8, 12.4 (same as Makhloufi down back straight), 12.4 (0.5 faster than Mak's) & then a final 100m of 13.0. Notice how he too couldn't maintain his burst of speed from 300 out into the home straight. In this race Morceli ran the 200m from 1200 to 1400m in 24.8, compared to Makhloufi's 25.3.

Again, Morceli's performance was more impressive in every department. And what was his best time that year? 3:29.2!

As I said before, Makhloufi's finishing splits are in keeping with a 3:30 runner. The suggestion he could have run under 50 secs to record a 3:31 finishing time is complete and utter fantasy land.

As for Aouita's 3:29.7, there is no mark on the track for 100m from home, moron! And the clock does not give tenths, it only shows to the neaest second, so how can you see 3:16.9? Idiot.

I have a commercially produced dvd version of the race not some copy off Youtube. There are clear markers at 120m from home, 110m, 90m and 80m.

It's not difficult to work out both Cram's & Aouita's splits once you count the number of strides each uses between set markers & using where they are at in relation to known markers, but then that concept is probably beyond you.

At 120m from home Cram hits it at 3:13.6, Aouita at 3:14.1

At the 110m mark, Cram = 3:14.9, Aouita = 3:15.4

At 90m Cram = 3:17.5, Aouita = 3:18.0

At 80m Cram (now slowing) = 3:18.9, Aouita = 3:19.3

So all of Aouita's splits show him at 13.0 speed for the last 100m.

Cram was running his last 100m in 13.4.

It was an astonishing series of runs from this guy. He just looked scary. After that final, I was convinced 100% he was involved in some illegal "doping". I was also convinced that he could easily run under the world record.

Just use your eyes, forget the numbers, WATCH THE RACE! Yes, the field was a bit weak, but he never even broke a sweat...

Will be interesting to see what he (and whatever mad scientists he is working with) does now... Does he make WR attempts? Does he go into hiding until Rio? He will set the world record if he wants to, if he can still beat the tests.

smakdab wrote:

It was an astonishing series of runs from this guy. He just looked scary. After that final, I was convinced 100% he was involved in some illegal "doping". I was also convinced that he could easily run under the world record.

Just use your eyes, forget the numbers, WATCH THE RACE! Yes, the field was a bit weak, but he never even broke a sweat...

Will be interesting to see what he (and whatever mad scientists he is working with) does now... Does he make WR attempts? Does he go into hiding until Rio? He will set the world record if he wants to, if he can still beat the tests.

he was extremely doped, that much is clear. Not sure if he can beat an extremely doped El G's time though

Buuuuummmppp.

Let's get this thread rolling again...

Prefontaine Classic - The Mack rolls up 11th in 3:52.94....have the dopencoke cocktails dried up? Has the deep moral conscience of the Mack had an awakening? Or was he actually clean all along?

This performance (by itself) says nothing, but makes no sense given all the doping accusations from last fall.

It was in the news for a while, and then it went away....from the news...your thoughts?!?!

Mack is probably ahead of where he was last year. He did this race clean and got 11th. Now he will go into hiding (doping) at some point and come out to win worlds.

"Has the deep moral conscience of the Mack had an awakening?"

-dude, he's north african. they are bred to be liars. it's in their blood from centuries as arab traders. lying does not infringe upon any moral conscience here at all.

ya but at least they haggle

not like the american slave traders

and the british imperialists

who just take without asking lol

Funny conversation...

Funny how the 1500 bronze medalist and 800 gold medalist in 2011 african games can be considered as "coming out of nowhere"

Funny how an ALGERIAN athlete culd raise suspicion because a former MOROCCAN one have been tested positively.

Funny how americans can be suspicious about others when America (along with russia) is top-ranked in terms of doped athletes.

And funny how i felt the need to reply to a 5 year old conversation...

champs wrote:

Funny conversation...

Funny how the 1500 bronze medalist and 800 gold medalist in 2011 african games can be considered as "coming out of nowhere"

Funny how an ALGERIAN athlete culd raise suspicion because a former MOROCCAN one have been tested positively.

Funny how americans can be suspicious about others when America (along with russia) is top-ranked in terms of doped athletes.

And funny how i felt the need to reply to a 5 year old conversation...

Funny. This must be your first time posting here, otherwise you would have been shamed off of the site for poor grammar and punctuation.

champs wrote:

Funny conversation...

Funny how the 1500 bronze medalist and 800 gold medalist in 2011 african games can be considered as "coming out of nowhere"

Funny how an ALGERIAN athlete culd raise suspicion because a former MOROCCAN one have been tested positively.

Funny how americans can be suspicious about others when America (along with russia) is top-ranked in terms of doped athletes.

And funny how i felt the need to reply to a 5 year old conversation...

Hey...don't be an idiot. "russia" is the name of a country, so the first letter is capitalized; *Russia.* You did get the other countries right, but remember Russia is a proud country like the others!

One of the most talented and likeable characters in athletics. Loves the sport and is respectful to his rivals.

bags of richards wrote:

"Has the deep moral conscience of the Mack had an awakening?"

-dude, he's north african. they are bred to be liars. it's in their blood from centuries as arab traders. lying does not infringe upon any moral conscience here at all.

The guy was in the Jama Aden group. He is totally dodgy.

El Keniano wrote:

One of the most talented and likeable characters in athletics. Loves the sport and is respectful to his rivals.

Thank God he's gone. Hopefully Big Mac is gone now too.

Funny to look back at the cast of drugging characters that Deanouk gives to show that Makhloufi wasn't doping in 2012, or at least wasn't running so fast as all that, Kiprop, who was either injured or off the dope for the 2012 Olympics, along with Kiplagat in all likelihood, but they ran 3:26.69 (plus 1:43.17) and 3:27.64 at other times, Nourredine Morceli, a 3:27 guy and first big EPO star, Said Aouita, who went to the weight room big time before many of his best times, where he probably started using steroids but also no doubt was blood doping, given that he advocated doping to his athletes in Australia. Makhloufi himself went on to run 3:28.8ish twice when he was arguably not as fit as in London 2012. Moreover, Makh Daddy, though a favorite athlete of mine as a real character, was in Jama Aden's training group with the doper Hamza Driouch at the time. Aden's group later was found with large quantities of EPO and other doping products at their hotel in Sabadell. I don't know that he was necessarily in 3:26 shape at the time, but 3:27 isn't outlandish, given his later times and how much stronger he looked, as he ran a 25 low to pull hugely away from the field. He didn't have that much when the same tactic failed in 2015 in Beijing.

Makh also ran that 1:42.6 or so, .6 faster than Kiprop ever ran, to take silver behind Rudisha in 2016, along with the 50 last lap just behind Centro for silver in the 1500.

Funny how this thread comes back right when the Makh daddy himself may have just gotten caught in France with a bag full of syringes.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1100011/makhloufi-subject-to-doping-probe-france