Sage runs one 50k and now he is an expert on ultras?

I would at least learn how to use AN in a sentence and learn to spell WOULD before you try to call out someone.

It's true: I'm a total ultra nube (as mentioned on my personal blog). I know a lot of "hardcore" ultra guys don't count a 50k as an ultra but I think that is ridiculous. Chuckanut took me almost 4 hours....that was a pretty long race and it is quite different from a road marathon so I'd call it an "ultra." I don't know if you've run Chuckanut but there is a decent section in there with some hills/snow/mud/rocks. Max King and I averaged 8min pace through there and it was tough! Since then I've gone on 7 hour mountain runs and "bonked" for hours. I've also bonked pretty hard in road marathons even only after 16 miles. At some point the distance isn't really as impressive as how much risk you're willing to take with the pace/intensity for a certain amount of time over rough terrain. Next week at the White River 50-miler I hope to gain more experience. Not sure how it's going to go, but I know it will be an experience. Thanks for your support.

He has already gotten lost and fell. Don't know anthing else you can learn that is different than roads.

pretty much the same attitude everyone on LR has

not to mention you only really hit the wall (run out of reserves and burn only fat) if you dont know what your doing

Sage I would like to see you go back to marathons after 2 years or so. The mileage you are doing now will pay off.

Don't pay attention to the haters, Sage. I am really intrigued by your recent change in focus and am impressed with what you have done so far. There is no reason to rush it or to feel like you haven't "arrived" because some fool on Letsrun.com claims you don't have enough "mountain" or "ultra" experience. LOL

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Don't get me wrong the guy seems cool but his quote on the home page does not make any sense. He has only run 1 ultra and it was only 5 miles longer than a standard marathon.

Also Mt. Washington is an uphill ROAD race and the trail 50k he ran is considered an easy course compared to a lot of other 50ks in the US. I wuld say his experience racing in the mountains is very limited at best.

I am glad people like him are stepping up in distance but I am pretty sure he is far from and expert on knowing what it is like having 10 to 20 more miles to run after hitting the wall.

Where did he ever claim to be an expert? You don't have to be a seasoned ultra guy to talk about the differences in training and racing compared to the marathon. He's just saying bonking is more of a danger in an ultra; I liked the quote.

I think he offers an interesting perspective as an elite marathoner who has just recently made the switch to ultra/mountain races. Most ultra guys don't know what it's like to run a 2:16 marathon.

Correct. He's not a seasoned ultra runner, but he has far more ultra experience than 99% of the d-bags here that routinely comment on ultra running. The letsrun cesspool rises yet again. Let's talk some more Crossfit.

he got the interview cus he went to cornell people

sdlv nlszkfsf wrote:

he got the interview cus he went to cornell people

perhaps, but unlike the vast, vast majority of d-bags on hear who simply slam ultra/trail running, Sage has actually tried it and can comment from, you know, actual experience. and he is faster than just about everyone on here at whatever distance they name. why the critics?

oh yeah because most competitive runners are self-absorbed.

i find it a peculiar insecurity of somewhat fast distance runners to feel so easily threatened by those who choose to push the limits. it doesn't get more small-minded than that.

i would love to hear from a fast guy (say a 2:20 or better mary) who ran a 50 mile race and is a critic of the other runners. Love to hear from you.

sdlv nlszkfsf wrote:

he got the interview cus he went to cornell people

What a dumb statement. He got an interview because he won the US Mountain Running Championships (also, I happen to be in Colorado not long after so it was good timing). I thought his situation leaving Hansons to focus on these different types of races was interesting and something people might want to hear about.

Yes I know Sage because he went to Cornell, but that's like saying Jake Hojnacki (the guy in the famous steeple crash

) got an interview by me because he went to Franklin College. I knew him because he went to the school I coached at, but the fact that he went to a small DIII school in central Indiana had nothing to do with why I interviewed him. It just created the opportunity for me to do it.

Robert has coached 100's of runners at Cornell. How many of them have got interviews/articles on LetsRun?

Grammar Polizei wrote:

I would at least learn how to use AN in a sentence and learn to spell WOULD before you try to call out someone.

While I've done my share (and more) of grammar-Nazi work, I stand by the agreement that people came up with on another message board:

If you criticize a poster's spelling, grammar, or word choice (when those are not the topic of the thread), you are conceding the actual points in his or her post.

Thanks for posting, Sage. Have a great run at White River.

It appears Sage's ab muscle definition has declined significantly since his changes in training.

Little interview from Sage:

http://www.pikespeaksports.us/video/2012-u-s-mountain-running-champion-sage-canaday-third-at-summer

Good luck at the ascent man!

I noticed the same thing, but didn't want to bring it up as it really doesn't pertain to this thread, but why not? I remember reading about his vigerous core routine in college, and when he was running with the Hansons. His claims were always backed up by his unclothed interviews where the sun would glisten off his sweaty 8 pack. But now, I question if he is working as hard on his core, as it seems he has added and extra layer of flesh to his midsection. Maybe it was the camera angle, or maybe it is the "Eskimo Theory", where they put on an extra layer of fat to protect them from the elements, just like the unpredictable elements associated with mountain running? I'm not sure, but hopefully he figures it soon, we can't be sending this kind of American representation to Italy.

flabdominals wrote:

It appears Sage's ab muscle definition has declined significantly since his changes in training.

yeah, not quite wrote:

sdlv nlszkfsf wrote:

he got the interview cus he went to cornell people

perhaps, but unlike the vast, vast majority of d-bags on hear who simply slam ultra/trail running, Sage has actually tried it and can comment from, you know, actual experience.

i would love to hear from a fast guy (say a 2:20 or better mary) who ran a 50 mile race and is a critic of the other runners. Love to hear from you.

Michael Aish just won the Leadville Silver Rush 50 mile and missed the record by ~4 minutes or so. The record is held by fairly slow, in 5k/ 10k terms, runner with a 5k PR of maybe 17:00. Now rumor has it Aish is going to run the Leadville 100. Looks like we'll get a bit of an idea how at least one track Olympian will handle a 100 mile mountain run? Aish also raced Mt Evans (similar sort of) to Mt Washington and placed 3rd behind Mario Machias and a former Olympic ROWER.

DEAR ROBERT AND WELDON JOHNSON,

It is clear you are promoting Sage because he is your athlete because you blatantly removed my contributions to this discussion.

I have explicit evidence, knowledge and personal experience of Sage being a terd. He is condescending and critical of even the most genuine of folk. I have heard him with my own two ears say "fat people should all keel over and die."

Is it so wrong for me to simply post that he is a jerk or do I have to break out my own concrete evidence? THere, now you have it.

I understand you liberals over in NY don't respect the constitutional right to free speech but I live in America. And in AMERICA, we are allowed to speak the truth. You guys act like hero journalists on your cheesy little website but you won't let somebody with real-life knowledge to share partake in a discussion? There were no expletives or untruths in the post. IT IS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT to have the view that I would not like sage to go near my 2 young daughters. STEP OFF BIG BROTHER.

IF YOU REMOVE THIS POST, YOU LOSE A LOYAL LETSRUN.COM POSTER FOREVER.

Signed,

-The Truth