Has anyone ever measured the Monaco track? The times seem about as Shady as the 100 times in Quatar each year.
Has anyone ever measured the Monaco track? The times seem about as Shady as the 100 times in Quatar each year.
Do you believe in aliens?
Kiprop is not human.
bulldog35 wrote:
Has anyone ever measured the Monaco track? The times seem about as Shady as the 100 times in Quatar each year.
Maybe the track surface is harder. Harder surface means faster times.
Good point Rabitt!
ventolin^3 wrote:
confirms somewhat lines of fit i've had for him this year & i did think 3'27 was eminently possible
some prelims, based on somewhat on shitty 1'43.1s where he was proverbial mile behind wabbit at bell - shouda gone sub-1'43 if he'd followed closer
47.0 / 1'42.8 ->2'12.04 , 3'27.71
47.0 / 1'42.7 ->2'11.88 , 3'27.36
47.1 / 1'42.8 ->2'11.96 , 3'27.37
47.1 / 1'42.7 ->2'11.80 , 3'27.02
forget the 1500 - he shouda get those sometime in the near future & usurp morceli's 3rd on list, but i don't see 3'25.99 ever
however, he has a realistic chance of stealing noah's 1kwr, which is piss-weak
i really think it's worth pursuing regularly, as it's only wr he can dream off
You're really a moron, ventolin. The 1000m record is NOT "piss-weak." There is a reason it is the world record, and of course it is not contested that often, but it is NOT weak. So you don't believe that Kiprop could ever run 3:25.99 (and that's probably correct), but you believe Rupp can run 12:45 and Ryan could have run 3:24. You are truly a mental midget.
Kiprop's ceiling is higher than Ryun's was, and you're too stupid to recognize this. I am the world's recognized expert on ceilings, and you should listen to your superior.
SPMBLNPF wrote:
Kiprop's ceiling is higher than Ryun's was, and you're too stupid to recognize this. I am the world's recognized expert on ceilings, and you should listen to your superior.
Wait..... so if Kip has a higher ceiling, doesn't that mean he should have slower times? Because higher ceiling means more time underneath that ceiling. Or do you mean that underneath that ceiling is pure skill, so more skill under that ceiling, thus faster times?
But if that's the case, why not say floor? Like, Galen's floor is 26:xx.
a;sldfj wrote:
SPMBLNPF wrote:Kiprop's ceiling is higher than Ryun's was, and you're too stupid to recognize this. I am the world's recognized expert on ceilings, and you should listen to your superior.
Wait..... so if Kip has a higher ceiling, doesn't that mean he should have slower times? Because higher ceiling means more time underneath that ceiling. Or do you mean that underneath that ceiling is pure skill, so more skill under that ceiling, thus faster times?
But if that's the case, why not say floor? Like, Galen's floor is 26:xx.
OK, another moron has surfaced. Is there no end?
A ceiling is an upper limit. Think of it in mph if that helps somebody who appears to be as obtuse as you. In the runner's case, it is the fastest one can run. Are you stupid?
Besides Kiprop jogging in the final 200, the funniest part of the race was Robby Andrews (yes I have a twisted sense of humor). He gets out well in the top 5, then 400 meters later he's in last off the rest of the pack. Then he completely gave up with about 600 to go.
Long overdue considering this race over 3 years ago:
http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=13535
Still, exciting to see him finally throw down a fast time.
All the math is head ache shit.
2:49 is 56.x secs for 400 a lap, that is hardly a jog, closing in 39.x off that is pretty impressive, UNDERSTATEMENT.
That is pretty darn good. Plus he showed little strain last 50M .
What's the point of Robby Andrews running in this meet if he's just going to run like crap and DNF?
Coaches News Network wrote:
What's the point of Robby Andrews running in this meet if he's just going to run like crap and DNF?
Yep I'm sure he was planning on doing that. Idiot.
Coaches News Network wrote:
What's the point of Robby Andrews running in this meet if he's just going to run like crap and DNF?
Wasn't he a rabbit?
You have to take into consideration the almost criminal length of Kiprop's legs, and the fact that he is chasing records that are faster than the records of 25 - 30 years ago. Running in Coe's day, under the same conditions, with his legs fixed to shorten his stride to normal proportions, this would put him at about 3:34.8c. Coe running under the current conditions in Monaco no doubt would have hit 3:24, maybe 3:24.5 if had to deal with interference from the pacemaker.
Kind of thinking that was NOT the plan, DNFing in GL races is not a great thing
There is clearly something amiss, what that is? Not sure even they know yet.
It is a helluva lot easier to run 3:34.x closing from behind 1:56 pacing than it is being last at 1:56 when others are at 1:53.x, Big Leagues are tough first time around
The OXy meet was 1:56 going By,so a little slower maybe than 3:35 pace and 2:54 at 1200 Andrews was 1:57.x maybe and 2:55.x at least, a lot different that what it feels like getting run away from at 1:53 and 2:49, at 2:55 today he would maybe have felt okay, but would be 60M disconnected
I thought 3:36 would have seemed okay after the 1:52.26 800M, which I have no idea how that even happens.
That was not in the cards obviously
Kiprop's instincts are all about running fast enough just to win and holding back until doing that. Hence, for years, in the absence of sub 3:30 comp, he was running times clearly below his ability, but winning. And now he seems to have lost some of his reserve and followed the rabbits closer, and boom 3:30, then 3:29, now 3:28 high. Combine this with 1:43.17 800m speed, and maybe more at peak season now, and with the right comp, he could get another second or more down in the 1500m. A metronomic 56/56/56 (2:48 at 1200m)/and again 39 after the Olympics seems doable.
george oscar bluth wrote:
Long overdue considering this race over 3 years ago:
http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=13535Still, exciting to see him finally throw down a fast time.
True. But it was actually quite clear he was capable of the time he did today, back in 2008 when, only 19, he ran 1:44 and 3:31. This is a guy who had just won the world junior CROSS COUNTRY race the year before. A guy with that much endurance to win world jr cross, and that much speed to run 1:44 at age 19 (and then 1:43 the next year), was CLEARLY capable of being a 3:27 guy some day. It's nice to see him living up to that potential.
(and no, you don't need some bs calculator to come to these conclusions)
Willis ran at least as fast as Kiprop, and through heavy traffic! Must have been a surreal contrast to his London mile.
His time puts him ahead of Webb all-time and only behind Cram, Coe and Heschko (barely) for non-Africans.
I think Kiprop might be one of the best of all time. Put him in a race with a fit Lagat, Noah Ngeny, and El Guerruj, and I think he'd pop a 3:27-mid at the least.
He has a weird, deceptive speed because of how long his legs are. The guy looks like he should be a no-kick-having 10k runner, but he can actually manage a 1:43 and kick with the best of them!