Fascinating thread from 8 years ago. How come no LRCers accuse Kenyan distance runners of being on EPO?

Wonder how East Africans acquired such clout? Especially if their dominance is really killing the sport

trollism wrote:

Hardly takes any sophistication to beat a testing regime that is not interested in catching you.

Just go to Kenya and live with them for sometime and your doubts will be gone.

What is your indication that this conspiracy exists? Do you have any evidence at all that it's occurring or has occurred?

I think it's much more likely that the sophisticated dopers are good at evading testing, or are just blood packing, which is nearly impossible to catch.

Look at cycling, where all indications show that there was massive, in-competition doping but few positive tests.

super** wrote:

Wonder how East Africans acquired such clout? Especially if their dominance is really killing the sport

They became good. The IAAF is just protecting the sport. Better an event be incredibly dull but people view it as clean, than incredibly dull and people view it as dirty.

I appreciate the points I'm making are flying right over your head, I tried to make it simple.

If you cannot beat them paint them dirty,

Like any self respecting conspiracy theorist, your points only make sense to yourself and that is why they are flying over my head. You are like one of those people who have claim to have seen aliens (not the Mexican kind)or UFOs you believe in your own reality.Let me indulge you, East Africans dope, and IAAF is protecting them. I get your point now.

trollism wrote:

I appreciate the points I'm making are flying right over your head, I tried to make it simple.

Runthedistance2 wrote:

If you cannot beat them paint them dirty,

I actually blame the money grabbing agents more. Especially now we all know an agent can walk into a 'health food shop', announce that he's an agent to distance runners, and the guy in the shop knows exactly what he means and what he's after.

Hilarious stuff.

Although pointless, as Renato has told us that East Africans don't benefit from doping and they're genetically unable to do so. Too nice and smiley. That's why there's no crime in East Africa.

Athletes from all nations train in Kenya, that could be an agent for any athlete. Mo Farah trained in Kenya, is he on PEDs, You blame IAAF, then you blame agents for the doping, ok who is responsible for this conspiracy. This doping thing in Kenya is more well orchestrated than I thought. I am beginning to see your point, I just need 3 or more cogs in this wheel and I will be a believer

trollism wrote:

Hilarious stuff.

Although pointless, as Renato has told us that East Africans don't benefit from doping and they're genetically unable to do so. Too nice and smiley. That's why there's no crime in East Africa.

Funny - a few months ago a guy went to kenya and asked a doc if he could get some help with doping.

The guy was like 'yeah i dope tons of people - we all do'.

Straight from the horses mouth - or do you just believe that al l the fast times coming from shady euro-doc 'advised' athletes starting RIGHT when epo came on the market is a coincidence?

It's a fairy tale. Lance never tested positive, and geb won't either.

Kenyans are dopers, I am Kenyan and I know how they dope, where they dope, who has doped, why they dope and when they dope. They do not use EPO they use some powerful root that acts like EPO, the root has been passed down from generation to generation, it is a classified act that only man and women who cannot bear kids are allowed to handle the drug, they process it by boiling and then mix it with some other stuff and it is taken with food and works within minutes. I am in trouble for divulgeing this, OOOH well, If incase I am not able to have kids, I can just a dope.

Lance never tested positive because he beat the tests. Nothing to do with a shadowy conspiracy designed to promote Ethiopia for no particularly obvious reason.

Azaleas wrote:

Lance never tested positive because he beat the tests. Nothing to do with a shadowy conspiracy designed to promote Ethiopia for no particularly obvious reason.

It is a pretty obvious reason though. Why tarnish the sport? Catching a few EAs is not going to change the sport in any way other than turning a 'clean' sport into a 'dirty' one.

Why catch all the sprinters, then?

Azaleas wrote:

Why catch all the sprinters, then?

They didn't really. Things like BALCO and the like had nothing to do with testing - these were government investigations.

But once a nation is already tainted, like perhaps Russia, the IAAF make sure when they need a few dopers to catch they're from nations that people see as doping countries.

Nobody is shocked when an American tests positive. There's always going to be one or two. It doesn't harm the sport, it just looks like the testing is doing its job.

trollism wrote:Especially now we all know an agent can walk into a 'health food shop', announce that he's an agent to distance runners, and the guy in the shop knows exactly what he means and what he's after

eh ???

what you talking about moron ???

trollism wrote:The IAAF OOC testing (the only OOC testing these athletes have to face) has had zero success in catching cheats in that region.

moron

iaaf/wada doesn't have limitless funds to do extensive testing everywhere in the world

your peabrain not comprehend this ???

wada had about a $10 million budget few years back which had to pay for developing tests/paying labs to do testing/paying their staff/etc & what was left over, some of it spent on random testing

listen idiot, if you want east africa tested more, there is a simple solution you coud do yourself

dig into your pocket, pull out $500k each & every year, give it to wada & you will be guaranteed the africans will have plenty of tests to satisfy you

wada will be more than happy to have your funds to test more athletes

pay up or shut the f*ck up

Funny how these threads keep coming up. I bet its the same people opening these threads. Theres far too much jealousy directed at East Africa.

East Africans have been world beaters since the 1950s and have been fairly consistent. Theres no other way to explain it other than : They are simply good at this sport. Just like Pacific Islanders have a higher pain threshold and jamaicans can run fast.

Besides natural talent, there are a host of other natural factors that make them good at distance running. EPO is not one of them. Considering the sheer volume of Kenyans who run, keeping a doping regime under wraps would be impossible.

ventolin^3 wrote:

moron

Your posts look exactly like what I imagine a keyboard with Tourette's would produce.

Why the double standard? wrote:

One certainty of the LR message board is that any distance runner, T&F athlete, cyclist or swimmer who achieves extraordinary success will invariably be accused of being a drug cheat.

However, the exception this rule seems to be Kenyan distance runners (or any African distance runner, for that matter). Perhaps I used poor search parameters, but I couldn't find any LR threads that directly accused Kenyans of doping.

Why is this? Why the double standard? Considering the dominant success Kenyan and Ethiopian distance runners have had against the rest of the world, why is it seemingly taboo to accuse them of being cheats?

You guys (yourself, Trollism et al) never give up. You never do.

Wow!