Did Shalane Flanagan screw Notosha Rogers?

Perv Griffin wrote:

"Did Shalane Flanagan screw Notosha Rogers?"

I dearly hope so.

More, please...

I was waiting for one of these jokes. I was going to make one myself if no one else was going to make one.

Grumpus, you are correct. I don't know what all the fuss is about. Natosha, nor her coach, are complaining about anything. They are thrilled with her progression. All this crap makes it sound like they are complaining - NO COMPLAINTS from Natosha or McRaven (her coach). Drop it guys.

If she lost out because of the opposition's team tactics then it's good that she's not going to London. Or are you somehow under the impression that the Ethiopians and Kenyans don't run tactically?

"I was waiting for one of these jokes. I was going to make one myself if no one else was going to make one."

That post was no joke.

Vid?

There shouldn't be team tactics at the Olympic Trials.

When it comes down to it, if Shalane Flanagan was Notosha Rogers' teammate, then Rogers would be an Olympian. How is that fair?

And again, I'm not arguing at all that Uhl shouldn't be on the team. She's a great runner and should be going to London as well. But Rogers should go over Janet Cherobon-Bawcom and the Flanagan/Uhl tactics definitely impeded that. Uhl didn't need it to be a slow race to beat Cherobon-Bawcom.

It's a feaking race, strategy, tactics, it's not a time trial!

Flying Tiger wrote:

when you step on to the track you are in control of your own destiny. the only person to blame at the end of the day is yourself if you dont make the place, time, team that you wanted. that is what is great about track.

Anyone have a link to the race when Solinsky got shoved off the track into the infield?

LRC PERV already made the joke way before Perv Griffin did.

I agree with this completely, and feel Shalane should be DQ'd from competing for this year due to this.

Also it points out the major problem of picking teams by politics, i.e. arbitrary times, vs their 1-2-3 placings at the trials. The placings should be the ONLY criteria for making the team.

Times are fine for qualification for the trials, and should be the only criteria for qualifying for the trials - never politics. But for making the team, in the single event, the 1-2-3 placings need to be the ONLY criteria. The IAAF needs to consider this seriously and make sure the A standards are not to stringent for the competitors, especially the women, who were not allowed to compete for many years, and only in recent years have this opportunity - so there needs to be a lot of concessions for them and major back bending to make sure no one is left of teams who DESERVES TO BE THERE!

She should have tied her shoes better. I learned how to tie a double know in the first grade. She didn't make the team. The clock does not lie.

natosha fan wrote:

Grumpus, you are correct. I don't know what all the fuss is about. Natosha, nor her coach, are complaining about anything. They are thrilled with her progression. All this crap makes it sound like they are complaining - NO COMPLAINTS from Natosha or McRaven (her coach). Drop it guys.

Exactly. Some real jerks here trying to bash someone. I wish they'd just up and die. They suck and they are denigrating the sport.

J.R. wrote:

Times are fine for qualification for the trials, and should be the only criteria for qualifying for the trials - never politics. But for making the team, in the single event, the 1-2-3 placings need to be the ONLY criteria. The IAAF needs to consider this seriously and make sure the A standards are not to stringent for the competitors, especially the women, who were not allowed to compete for many years, and only in recent years have this opportunity - so there needs to be a lot of concessions for them and major back bending to make sure no one is left of teams who DESERVES TO BE THERE!

most countries don't have trials.

yoyomama wrote:

She had absolutely no idea she could run the A. Her 5K PR doubled wouldn't have gotten it. Unbeknownst to her she had the A in her. If Lisa had tied her shoe better, then Natosha might have been running for the team on the last lap.

Normally, we would all be cheering for the underdog who overachieved by an unthinkable margin, not bitching about her not pushing at an A standard. Lisa Uhl was really only racing Cherono and didn't need Flanagan's unnecessary tactics that did nothing but put a 32 year old on the team at the expense of a suddenly promising 20 year old.

This.

Rogers PR'd by a minute at NCAAs and 40 seconds here. To go out and try and run the "A" alone would have been suicidal. She had to stay with the pack and hope it was fast enough so she could close hard and get it. It almost was.

I don't know if I blame Flanagan, but she definitely didn't do Rogers any favors and Rogers should be going over Cherono. The girl is ridiculous. She goes out and just races. She doesn't worry about the pace or the splits (hence a 5:04 first mile at NCAAs) she just runs hard and runs to win. If she was going I'd bet anything she'd be the top American in London and give us a show doing it. With the Kenyan/Ethiopian dominance, she's a very long way from a medal threat, but I bet she would turn some heads.

Ol Grumpus wrote:

Why does everyone keep saying things like "spoiled brat" and "cry me a river"? Has anyone even suggested, much less provided evidence, that Rogers complained at all? Only a poster here complained. Stop insulting Rogers unless you have some evidence to base it on.

I noticed this too. Wake up posters. She never complained.

She didn't have to run the A by herself. She need to go through the field and find 3 or 4 other ladies who also wanted to give it a whirl. They actually did ok at the start before slowing down on the 3rd lap (before Shalane went to the front. Granted when the A standard is close to your 5k pace doing this probably doesn't seem like a very useful exercise.

On a side note, nice dodge by ZAP's Alissa McKaig when Rogers went down.

The Real Top 3 wrote:

Rogers should be going over Cherono.

Who the eff is Cherono?

I have a bias in this case as Im a coloradan, and cheer for all CO preps...

Rogers did not get hosed or "screwed over". Her situation sucks, but with in the parameter of the rules which she knew, it is what it is.

So its cool that many of you are defending a CO girl, but no need realy.

"Did Shalane Flanagan screw Notosha Rogers? "

i would pay money to see that