Mary Cain 4:14.74

These small, bird-framed Africans (that's not a critique) start this way and end this way - works nicely for them. Most white, suburban, 2012 American female teen-agers tend to grow in different ways. History usually predicts the future better than what we would prefer to wish for.

She needs to run a mile/1600 for pete's sake so we can put Polly Plumer's 30-year old HS record out to pasture.

Why do females run 1500's so much better than miles? It makes no sense. Does that 100m handicap really play into the female psyche that profoundly?

Cain's 1500 conversion according to T&F News is 4:33.0 for the 1600m.

IS mary cain an age cheat?

Not true. The #10 time for mile/1600 (converted to mile equivalent) is 4:39 while the #10 1500 is 4:18, which is inferior (this will likely adjust somewhat after this season). That said,most post-season opportunities are at 1500 (Pro races or Jr elite). Cain's time is no better than 4:34-mid for 1600, which is inferior to Plumer's 4:35 full mile. At this rate, however, she'll "clean up" all the 800/1500/1609 records within a year.

yyyzzz wrote:

She needs to run a mile/1600 for pete's sake so we can put Polly Plumer's 30-year old HS record out to pasture.

Why do females run 1500's so much better than miles? It makes no sense. Does that 100m handicap really play into the female psyche that profoundly?

Cain's 1500 conversion according to T&F News is 4:33.0 for the 1600m.

sub 4:10 in a fast race is a possibility for her even this year. she's been soloing these races. getting hoovered along with pros and then kicking, her strength, should produce the hs record soon, if she gets the chance. at 800m, she might or might not get 2:00, but she has a good chance at that by 2014.

Reality Bath wrote:

Not true. The #10 time for mile/1600 (converted to mile equivalent) is 4:39 while the #10 1500 is 4:18, which is inferior (this will likely adjust somewhat after this season).

That's because hs girls run the 1600/mile far more often than the 1500.

Btw, a 4:18 1500 converts to 4:38 for the mile. Most college coaches of girls will try to tell you 4:36 though.

You are right 4:18 = 4:38. The 1500 v. mile lists are pretty well-balanced though, between the frequency of mile/1600 in-season and the predominance of 1500 post-season. Either way, Cain is obviously in the process of re-writing all the standards. 4:15/4:35 is the women's benchmark closest to men's sub-4:00, and she's already there.

yyyzzz wrote:

That's because hs girls run the 1600/mile far more often than the 1500.

Btw, a 4:18 1500 converts to 4:38 for the mile. Most college coaches of girls will try to tell you 4:36 though.

Fantastic stuff. Her body makeup reminds me of a young El G. Big legs small upper body

the rocket. wrote:

Fantastic stuff. Her body makeup reminds me of a young El G. Big legs small upper body

Hmmm, I hope she is not taking some drugies. Maybe asthma medication? Her face looks a little suspicious as her form for someone that runs that fast. She looks very off on her running form.

Go Afrika wrote:

Hmmm, I hope she is not taking some drugies. Maybe asthma medication? Her face looks a little suspicious as her form for someone that runs that fast. She looks very off on her running form.

Do you practice being an idiot?

yoyomama wrote:

Her arm movement looked to be a little inefficient. Totally across her body most of the time.

Like Tirunesh Dibaba? That's called running.

Jerome Kopf wrote:

Let's hope the USATF can count. Their website shows four rounds in the 800 -- men and women. The schedule, however, has only a prelim, semi and final.

Place Athlete Name Affiliation Time Qual Heat(Pl)

1 Molly Beckwith Saucony 2:00.61 Q 3 (1)

2 Phoebe Wright Nike 2:00.83 Q 3 (2)

3 Brenda Martinez New Balance 2:01.43 Q 3 (3)

4 Heather Kampf Asics / Team USA Minnesota 2:01.54 q 3 (4)

5 Alysia Montano Nike 2:02.61 Q 2 (1)

6 Shannon Leinert Big River Running Company 2:02.78 Q 2 (2)

7 Lea Wallace Nike 2:02.94 q 3 (5)

8 Geena Gall Nike / Oregon TC Elite 2:02.96 Q 1 (1)

9 Laura Roesler Oregon 2:03.11 Q 2 (3)

10 Nachelle Mackie B Y U 2:03.30 q 2 (4)

11 Maggie Vessey New Balance 2:03.31 Q 1 (2)

12 Ashley Miller Nebraska 2:03.34 q 3 (6)

13 Alice Schmidt Nike 2:03.51 Q 4 (1)

14 Margaret Infeld N Y A C 2:03.53 Q 1 (3)

15 Ajee Wilson Juventus Track Club 2:03.63 Q 4 (2)

16 Katie Palmer Unattached 2:03.66 Q 4 (3)

17 Charlene Lipsey L S U 2:03.74 1 (4)

18 Mary Cain Bronxville Track Club 2:04.11 1 (5)

19 Chanelle Price Tennessee 2:04.17 4 (4)

20 Kate Grace Oiselle / New Jersey New York 2:04.28 1 (6)

21 Erica Moore Nike 2:04.44 4 (5)

22 Caroline King Unattached 2:05.25 3 (7)

23 Stephanie Charnigo New Jersey New York Track Club 2:05.28 4 (6)

24 Stephanie Brown Arkansas 2:06.36 3 (8)

25 Amy Weissenbach Gold Medal Athletic Club 2:06.46 2 (5)

26 Lindsey Schnell Brooks/Arizona Elite 2:06.50 4 (7)

27 Rebekka Simko Penn State 2:07.33 2 (6)

28 Laura Januszewski Brooks 2:07.50 4 (8)

29 Christina Rodgers Unattached 2:08.06 1 (7)

30 Lyndsay Harper Unattached 2:08.33 2 (7)

31 Heidi Dahl New Balance 2:09.49 1 (8)

32 Latavia Thomas Nike 2:28.43 2 (8)

The time's are a bit misleading. Unfortunately for Mary, her heat was by far the slowest. She went through in 62 high, and kicked well with a negative split, but just missed a qualifying time. Slightly disappointing, as many had hoped for a 2:01 or a big PR, but she can now get ready for World Juniors.

Ajee Wilson was more fortunate with her heat, with a 60-63 run, and her experience running with the pros showed in her tactics. Best of luck to her today.

Bad luck for Amy Weissenbach...went through in 59, then 1:31 and seemed to be gearing up her kick when she got tangled up in the big fall with Latavia Thomas and Harper. It looks like she's ready to PR, so it'd be good to find a low-key meet to go after one last fast 800 before transitioning to college.

RE: World Juniors and Mary Cain Age Eligibility

TECHNICAL REGULATIONS FOR

IAAF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS

303.2 Age Categories

303.2.1. Junior Athletes

Athletes aged 18 or 19 years on 31 December in the year of the

competition (e.g. for the 2012 Championships, born in 1993 or 1994), may

compete in any event.

Jerome Kopf wrote:

RE: World Juniors and Mary Cain Age Eligibility

TECHNICAL REGULATIONS FOR

IAAF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS

303.2 Age Categories

303.2.1. Junior Athletes

Athletes aged 18 or 19 years on 31 December in the year of the

competition (e.g. for the 2012 Championships, born in 1993 or 1994), may

compete in any event.

Not true - those born in '95 (17) may compete as well. Not sure if the '96's (Cain) are eligilbe as well.

I posted this on page 2. It is rule 303.2.2, youth athlete. The difference from junior athlete is tha youths can only compete in 2 events and a relay provided that only 1 of the 2 is over 200. So no 800/1500 double.

Last year Cain qualified in the 1500 but was too young.