How would Rupp do in the 1,500 at the US Olympic Trials?

water company wrote:

I don't think you understand what strength is. Rupp having superior aerobic ability would hardly be affected by prelims.

If Rupp were running the 1500, 5000, and 10000 I don't think he would make the 1500 team just because that's a lot of racing. But if he did the 10k and 1500 with rounds, I think he would have a great shot at making the team.

As the poster above you pointed out, "Is there anyone on letsrun who has any understanding of the sport at all?"

"Strength" as used by distance runners means the ability to continue running slower than shit for a long period of time.

In a 1500, one is not jogging a 10000. 1500 is competed about 10% above VO2max pace, while 10000 is about 12% slower than 1500 pace. High level 5000 and 10000 pace is slightly slower than VO2max pace. Speed endurance for 10000 is more about LT and VO2max, while speed endurance at 1500 pace has more of a glycolytic content. The closer you have to run to your max, the longer it takes to recover, and repeated bouts with inadequate recovery, gradually degrade your capability.

As more aerobic-oriented runners lose their aerobic reserve, their ability to cover kicking weaknesses with aerobic power diminishes. That's why a guy like Kiprop with 1:43 800 speed is more dominant in championship races.

With 400/800 types in 800, you have the opposite effect because the sprinter types are using their glycolytic system for more of the period of the race, and that is the part that gets degraded compared to runners with more aerobic power.

Hats too bee axed wrote:

Menace wrote:

He would most likely make the team. He is definitely in 3:32 shape at best.

Is there anybody on Letsrun who has any understanding of this sport at all?

Anyone?

So you think it's out of the realm of possibility that a 10000 guy who runs 3:34 in an early season 1500 could drop 2 seconds off his PR?

The rounds would help. Rupp's strength would have him fresher for the final- unless kicking in 3 races would be too new of territory for his legs. He's also consistent, while others aren't. Minimum top 5, and 50% chance to 3.

Alright, let's do it this way: Make predictions for your top five including Rupp if you think he'd make it. Mine:

Centro

Wheating

Andrews

Manzano

Rupp

I'd put Torrence up there. Hard for me to pick the order. Centro's the best- but behind schedule. Wheating's still not @ top form. Andrews is new to the 1500. And Torrence has run best- but is far unproven on this stage. But Rupp is consistently excellent, while 1-2 of them prob. won't be on that race.

What? This is why Rupp WOULD win! Rounds do not give the advantage to the kickers.

I have to ask . . . wrote:

So you think it's out of the realm of possibility that a 10000 guy who runs 3:34 in an early season 1500 could drop 2 seconds off his PR?

I would certainly say it is possible but I would caution you that it is hardly automatic.

Pre is my favorite wrote:

Alright, let's do it this way: Make predictions for your top five including Rupp if you think he'd make it. Mine:

Centro

Wheating

Andrews

Manzano

Rupp

Interesting that you pick Andrews over Rupp even though Rupp has beaten him in their only head-to-head match up and has a faster PR. I could definitely still see it happening though.

I'd have:

Wheating

Manzano

Brown

Andrews

Rupp

Centrowitz

Lomong

Centro's health is going to be the wild card I think. I don't see Lopez being successful in the double. Fresh I'd think he'd be right around where Manzano is. That said, he isn't heads above the field to begin with and I think those 5ks are gonna hurt him more than Rupp. Brown has shown he's in top form multiple times so I'll take Him over Andrews. If everyone was fresh I'd put lomong over Manzano and Rupp over Andrews.

Rupp is white, when was the last time a white guy made the us 1500 meter team by finishing in top 3?

That being Robbie's first elite 1,500 race, he was unsure of himself and ran it like an 800.. He stayed in the back and got away with it because of his ridiculous kick, closing in 53.5. Rupp did not close nearly as fast. If it is a 3:45 race as I believe it will be, Andrews will be fully capable of a 52.x final lap, and THAT will put him on the team. Rupp cannot do that.

Another guy who always shows up is Will Leer. He has proven he knows how to peak and has a devastating kick as well.

The 1500 won't go out slow if there are any A-chasers in the final. In that case Rupp could hitch a ride to a fast time. Regardless, the most important point is that if Rupp were to triple and make the team in all 3 events, he would still get trashed on letsrun.

noce wrote:

The 1500 won't go out slow if there are any A-chasers in the final.

Every single year the majority of field needs an A standard but those athletes never take out the pace.

coach d wrote:

In a 1500, one is not jogging a 10000. 1500 is competed about 10% above VO2max pace, while 10000 is about 12% slower than 1500 pace. High level 5000 and 10000 pace is slightly slower than VO2max pace. Speed endurance for 10000 is more about LT and VO2max, while speed endurance at 1500 pace has more of a glycolytic content. The closer you have to run to your max, the longer it takes to recover, and repeated bouts with inadequate recovery, gradually degrade your capability.

Yea...but what about leg speed velocity?

The Waterboy wrote:

There wasn't that big of a lesson taught here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k15xM84zvU4

Manzano and Centro didn't even start their kick until there was 50m left...

* wrote:

noce wrote:

The 1500 won't go out slow if there are any A-chasers in the final.

Every single year the majority of field needs an A standard but those athletes never take out the pace.

Every single year? Hmm I don't remember that at last year's Olympic trials... Seriously, I think last time around it was Gabe Jennings who needed the A and he did take it out (for a while).

I don't think it'll go out slow either, given the A-chasers. If we're wrong- then they're pansies.

I don't remember the 2008 Trials having 12 guys with the A standard in the finals.

There were guys chasing that didn't have the A standard.

They went in in two minutes and gave themselves no chance to make the Olympic team.

Probably the best strategy for the guys on the verge of the A-Standard would be to work together and try to get it in the early rounds.

DTorr

Rupp

Webb

Brown

Manzano

Centro

irrelephant