Let's face the facts, people. Alan can probably run 13:30-35, but there is no way that his fitness will lend itself to anything faster at this point. IF Alan could run 13:20, he'd be running 3:35xx by now. The fanboys can get excited, but the intelligent remain lucid in their appraisals of circumstances which render these jock sniffers Pollyanish or even delusional.
Here we go again...
Now that this has been established, I predict at least a 13:29.99 from Alan.
Hatin' is bad.
Your dad should have used a condom.
huuuuh?? wrote:
Now that this has been established, I predict at least a 13:29.99 from Alan.
Predict? Based on lil cliffy's previous predictions you should be the house on a sub 13:30.
A standard is 13:33/B 13:50 and he has until the 18th to enter Trials 5,000
The OP subject is better stated as
RE: Alan Webb Has NO CHANCE At Sub 13:33 On Saturday
mstars wrote:
Hatin' is bad.
There is no "hatin'" going on here. Look at the facts. IF I told you that I was running my 1500m races between 3:37 and 3:40 this spring, and that I was able to run 13:10 in the same year that I ran 3:32, do you think that I'd be able to run under 13:30 now that I am significantly slower at 1500m? I hope Alan can run under 13:30, but the truth is that his chances of going under 13:30 on Saturday are the same as Galen Rupp's ever running faster than 12:55, i.e. ZERO, or should I say: DOUBLE ZERO. I am relentless in my capacity to deduce truth from scraps of information which render the unwashed masses bewildered and confused. Don't blame the brilliant messenger.
that you waxman? wrote:
A standard is 13:33/B 13:50 and he has until the 18th to enter Trials 5,000
The OP subject is better stated as
RE: Alan Webb Has NO CHANCE At Sub 13:33 On Saturday
Better stated? I deal with facts, not your excursions into fantasy land. IF I thought Alan Webb had NO CHANCE at sub 13:33, I'd have posted that. Alan has a chance to go under 13:33, but not 13:30, so I titled the post based on the facts. Precision is my strong point. Yours, not so much.
Of course, he doubled back from one of those early (and slower) 1500s this year in 13:49. On like 30 min rest, I believe. One would think even that day he could've been CLOSE to 13:30 fresh. And a touch faster now.
Its clear from all his races that he has NO pop. Didn't he run 1:51 and 3:37 around the same time? Webb's speed is a joke right now. That might point to his best at 5k being better than his best at 1500 right now, might'n't it?
Have you thought of the fact that Webb, although not being able to kick to close with others over the last lap of the 1500, appears able to maintain a pace that could take him to sub 13:30 over 5000? I think his problem is that he is stuck in one gear, which doesn't bode well in a 1500. Not saying he can kick on the last lap of a 5000 for the win, but may be able to achieve the standard with even pacing.
logic wrote:
Of course, he doubled back from one of those early (and slower) 1500s this year in 13:49. On like 30 min rest, I believe. One would think even that day he could've been CLOSE to 13:30 fresh. And a touch faster now.
Its clear from all his races that he has NO pop. Didn't he run 1:51 and 3:37 around the same time? Webb's speed is a joke right now. That might point to his best at 5k being better than his best at 1500 right now, might'n't it?
These are good points which I have factored into the equation, but let's take a good hard look at the facts. What was Farah's double, 3:34 and 13:12. So let's say Farah fresh could possibly have run 13:00 that day, as remember, he would have been running by himself. Let's be more generous to Webb, and give him 15 seconds, so say 13:34, even though 13:37 would probably have been more accurate. Well, he just isn't in sub 13:30 territory. I am rarely wrong when my analysis is as thorough as it is here.
Clifford T Clavin wrote:
logic wrote:Of course, he doubled back from one of those early (and slower) 1500s this year in 13:49. On like 30 min rest, I believe. One would think even that day he could've been CLOSE to 13:30 fresh. And a touch faster now.
Its clear from all his races that he has NO pop. Didn't he run 1:51 and 3:37 around the same time? Webb's speed is a joke right now. That might point to his best at 5k being better than his best at 1500 right now, might'n't it?
These are good points which I have factored into the equation, but let's take a good hard look at the facts. What was Farah's double, 3:34 and 13:12. So let's say Farah fresh could possibly have run 13:00 that day, as remember, he would have been running by himself. Let's be more generous to Webb, and give him 15 seconds, so say 13:34, even though 13:37 would probably have been more accurate. Well, he just isn't in sub 13:30 territory. I am rarely wrong when my analysis is as thorough as it is here.
someone post the threads clifford has made on this thread so everyone can see he has NEVER been right on any prediction
Not knowing current mileage and training we really have no idea what he could run for 5000 meters. That being said he probably should have moved up to the 5 and 10 a couple of years ago. His best potential events for the future. So I for one hope he runs 13:20s and then by some miracle makes the team. Then in the future quits trying to chase the 1500.
Thanks for the prediction. Now we know he's got it
Sub-13, will take the world lead and come home from London with the gold.
Quote of the Games: "I didn't even want to run the 5000m, as the 1500m is my focus"
that you waxman? wrote:
A standard is 13:33/B 13:50 and he has until the 18th to enter Trials 5,000
Only A standard for the Trials, not for the games.
Clifford T Clavin wrote:
that you waxman? wrote:A standard is 13:33/B 13:50 and he has until the 18th to enter Trials 5,000
The OP subject is better stated as
RE: Alan Webb Has NO CHANCE At Sub 13:33 On Saturday
Better stated? I deal with facts, not your excursions into fantasy land. IF I thought Alan Webb had NO CHANCE at sub 13:33, I'd have posted that. Alan has a chance to go under 13:33, but not 13:30, so I titled the post based on the facts. Precision is my strong point. Yours, not so much.
while there is no FACTinvolved in stating no chance at 13;30 you are right, your thread your motivation
I am wrong-
Many of the posters on this thread think the reason he is doing this is to get an A for a trials event.
Neither your position on his finish time nor the position that he is in this race to chase an A is fact based.
Addressing either issue can be done on the same thread. Have no fear The LRCorps can multitask this. They can reply totally and only to your premise and they can speak of a nuance illuminated by the discussion. Both give honor to your thread without taking up much needed boardspace for dating tips on how to land the hottest coffeecart lady and the Which Mask Will Galen wear thread.
I bow in glory to your thread!
Let's agree not to make my genius the subject of this thread.
Another factor is at play that the unwashed are overlooking.
Yup, weather. Alan had great conditions at Stanford. Here Alan will be running, even at night, in less than ideal conditions. Alan doesn't do well in hot weather. The high will likely be close to 90, so he'll probably be racing with the temp around 80ish. Alan won't be able to run under 13:30 in those conditions, and maybe not in ideal conditions, which he won't have.
oh my gawd i can see it already.
webb runs 13:19 before the trials.
the trials itself.
4:30 at the mile
9:30 with 4 to go.
8 in contention.
Rupp drops a 61, 60.
Derrick dropped.
Another 60... only lagat and webb.
Webb stalking. Those focused hunting eyes.
200 to go. Webb unleashes furious kick in 26 seconds (furious for the accumulated fatigue that had set in..)
only lagat can hang.
webb and lagat furiously sprinting (rupp crying looking around for his mask).
webb and lagat photo phynish.
no winner declared!!!!