Shorter, a walk on All American or not?

Don't know whether Shorter was recruited. But Ivy League schools do recruit, they just don't offer scholarships. Same is true of many sports at big colleges where there are extreme scholarship limitations. You try to sell the athlete on the program and the education and hope they come despite the lack of scholarship.

According to the NCAA: "Walk-ons are varsity athletes who do not receive any athletically related financial aid even though they compete at institutions that award such aid."

So, since the Ivy Leagues do not offer athletic scholarships, Shorter was not a "Walk-on All-American."

Does that logic work? According to that definition he would be a walk on because he didn't get any athletically related financial aid.

I thought a walk-on was somebody who wasn't recruited at all. Someone who "walks on" to the field on the first day of practice and asks to try out. The logic is OK though, not sure what the last guy was talking about...

If the NCAA definition of walk on is that the athlete does not recieve any athletically related financial aid, then it follows that Ric Rojas was a walk on national champion. Any other national champions that were walk ons?

i guess theres really two definitions of walk-on. on my team no one has scholarships, but most of them (all but three of us) were recruited. and the three of us are referred to as walk-ons. (when really the whole team is walk-ons!)

I think the dude was saying that because the school didn't offer athletically related financial aid at all, he would not be considered a walk-on. To contrast, I guess he would be considered a walk-on if he didn't receive an athletic scholarship, but went to a school that did in fact offer athletic scholarships.

If a coach says to a runner,"I really want you to run for me, but I don't have any money until your soph. year.", is the athlete a walk on or not?

Dunno wrote:

If a coach says to a runner,"I really want you to run for me, but I don't have any money until your soph. year.", is the athlete a walk on or not?

The athlete would be a "walk on" until he/she got scholarship money. Athletic scholarship money, that is.

Let's face it, recruiting with no money is completely non-binding, for athlete or coach. It has no place in any "official" definition of walk-on. In my opinion, that is. The coach can change his/her mind in a year, and the athlete is no better off than the "unrecruited" (but more meaningfully, unfunded) walkons.

Idealist,if I may, thinks that the recruiting of Shorter or Rojas does not enter into the equation and both are walk ons.Right?

I suppose Sean Smith would have been a walk-on national champ for CU last year, running as their 5th man.

From what I'm reading on this board, Lananna produced a bunch of walk on All Americans while at Dartmouth when he won NCAA XC with no athletic scholarships. How does the "Run With The Blinders On" crowd handle this news?

At least Lananna doesn't go around promoting the bs that Wetmore does.

A"pure" walk-on is one unknown to the coach walks thru the

door and say "Hi I'm ---- and Ilike to run at Whatsamatta U

NCAA says a non scholarshipped athlete at a scholarship

available school. Since the Ivy League and Military Acads

have no money to offer, they do no fit the former, and I

can attest that Shorter, Coburn, Masback, Fikes,etc were not unKnown or unrecruited.

One Ivy Leaguer who was not an athlete recruit but pretty much walked into the coach's office and asked "hi, can I come out for the team" was Meredith Rainey, who won an 800-meter NCAA title for Harvard.

When was Rojas a National Champion?

Rojas? I don't remember for certain, but I think that he was an AAU XC champion after the finished school. I don't know what he did at NCAA.

Wasn't she an age grouper who decided not to run in High

School? Ran for the Atoms?

If you ever have the chance to see what she accomplished

her senior year at the indoor heps, its unbelieveable.

She did everything except drive the team bus.

If I recall it was the 55m 200m 400m 800m and 2 Relays

with trial races it was like 12 races in 2 days and she

only lost the 400m to Smith of Brown.

Didn't Teddy Mitchell "walk on" (by NCAA definition) at Arkansas , where he won the NCAA 10K ?