How many scholarships do top teams put in XC?

?more to the picture than meets the eye?

There?s another wild card in this deck: some schools are also saving on track athletes? scholarships by doubling up footballers in track. If a football coach is a harda$$, he may require his players to do spring practice. With other coaches, it?s more flexible in allowing those guys to throw, sprint, hurdle, and jump. To the extent that those events may be taken care of courtesy of football scholarships, there may be more for the distance guys.

Any school that is fully funded in track, should have a hell of a team. Because my team has very little damn money, and if we could just get like 7 scholarships, we'd be 4 times as good.

The CMU men's track & xc program have 9.5, not sure how many are distance, but I think it spread out evenly amoung track and xc, so there may be 3 or 4 for xc? They don't generally have football guys on the track(sprinters or weight guys), for some reason they think the speed work would not be good for football, go figure.

An article in the Indiana student newspaper www.idsnews.com says IU uses less then three

I think I remember somewhere that Stanford doesn't do full rides/large scholarships, just partials... and spreads them around to all the distance/sprints/throwers/etc...

I've heard that from many schools - partials are more usual than full. Also, I've seen some schools that alternate emphases - one year they load up on sprints and field, the next year the cross coach gets to use most of the money.

Very few americans get full rides. There are some, but very few do, esp. at the top schools.

Here is one for you. Boston College women place about 14 scholarships in women's distance and STILL could not make the NCAA's. Impressive waste of money or piss poor coaching?

Yeh, Stanford only gives partials. That's how they have 30 sub 9:20 guys on the roster. The majority of their 12.6 (plus half the academic dept.'s on campus) are in the distance area. Villanova, Georgetown, Colorado have the majority of their money in distance. It is the head coach's decision how the money is split up.

Stanford - 9-10 plus private school/endowment grants

Colorado 8-9

Arkansas - 7-8 + cheap in-state + Wal Mart jobs

Wisconsin - 5-6

NAU - 7-8

Iona - 8-9

Villaova 8-9

Georgetown - 7-8

Oregon - 4-5

NC St - 8-9

Michigan 8-9

Minnesota - 4-5

Notre Dame - 7-8

Oklahoma state - all of em (12)

Portland - all of em (7??)

4 or less - EMU, CMU, Arizona State, Indiana, Texas,

I would expect us to be less than 8-9 because we traditionally bring in two distance guys per year and no one gets fulls. Fulls are for pride purposes, most people can afford to pay a decent % on their own. I can only think of one runner in the last 5 years that may have been on full and only a few more that were at least 90%. These guys were/are very talented and express more financial need than the other scholarship guys.

With Guiney on the shelf, what do you expect ...a freshman

to step in at Cicero's level? Puh-lease.

And All that money is in use now --right

that's how they signed Mizzone they went over the limit.

Impressive waste of time on a piss poor post.

They signed Mizzone by convincing her that the Guineys will be back next year and they are not. The Guineys hate it there and are moving on. Have you ever read their posts back in the early days of Fast-women?

They went to 16 scholarships in '98. Look at their track roster. They have dumped nearly all their money into the distance and they still can't get enough girls to stay healthy enough to make it to the NCAA's.

Piss poor waste of talent and no coaching. Cicero will be ruined by this time next year. Gauranteed.

Oh,I see its a vendetta. You've got the sign already carved

to place at the entrance at Chestnut Hill "Forsake All Hope

Yea Who Enter" No doubt irrepairalbe damage has been done to your child/former athlete/teammate/significant other and your mission is to take any and all opportunities to

spread the word. Mass people are making a sign for Stanford

gates with the demise of their beloved Powell as well

No vendetta. Just the facts.

How the f*ck can you put 16 scholarships into distance running at a school like BC and NOT make it to the NCAA's? BC looks like another place where the High School All-American goes to die.

Keep up the great work Randy. Just makes it easier for the rest of the country to have you keep that job!

Love to see where the Guiney's go now!

all the guineas i know live in the north end

From the information I got, BC was missing several top runners and still managed third in the regionals by a few points. With just one of those that didn't run, they would have qualified, but either way, they should have at least gotten an at large bid. Perhaps there are things going on behind the scenes that are out of Randy's control.

Ohio State isn't close to 4 scholarships and never will be! Check out the thread at run-insight.com for Ohio State. Sounds like the head track coach is a real jerk!

All of this evidence certainly waters down the concept of being National Chanpions if you donate at least 5 scholarsips strictly to cross country while the rest of the nation averages under one.