WEBB 3:37.26

10k runner wrote:

This is a perplexing result for Webb. On one hand it's another step in the right direction, but on the other hand you would normally expect a healthy Webb to be a few seconds faster by this time.

Are you making some kind of bad joke, or just are really insane? This result is not perplexing at all. It makes 100% sense, and the only thing you said that makes any sense is that he is taking a step in the right direction.

Hey tough guy what makes 100% sense? That runners are running much faster than him this time of year???

10k runner wrote:

Hey tough guy what makes 100% sense? That runners are running much faster than him this time of year???

Pretty sure he's saying Webb's progression and time in the race makes sense. I don't think anyone with any comprehension skills would not be able to understand his post, or why Webb's result makes perfect sense based off everything he's done this year, and past years.

There is something mentally wrong with you. If you have to ask what makes sense, then you don't even understand your own post he was responding to. Tough guy.

Lol nice try mrr82.

10k runner wrote:

Lol nice try mrr82.

Are you 17 or something? You think Mrr82 is the only person who thinks you're an idiot? Who on here is PERPLEXED that Webb dropped 1.7 seconds from his previous 1500. Anyone? Bueller?

he was still better as an 18 year old

He has a lot of training and races under his belt this season and was 3 seconds behind his training partner who happens to be in awe of training with Webb.

Is this the best that Webb can do right now or is he holding back more than the others?

I'm kind of perplexed that he can run 3:37 but is still only going 1:51 for 800. I mean, he was a 1:47 guy in HS, wasn't he?

Webb is now the elder statesman of US mile running. It just takes a little longer now to find his stride. His 3:37 probably indicts that his 1:51 800 was just a workout. I am sure he does not lose any sleep on what is said about him on this forum.

You probably can almost guarantee he will run at least 3:35 this year. Nobody has any idea if he will run faster. However, Webb has come back from the depths before. Nothing was worse than his post Michigan slump, and yet a few years later he set an American record for the mile. Webb is hardest US miler to pin down. That is why making predictions about him is almost impossible. There is no middle ground for Webb; it is either success or failure.

HYPE MAN it a con wrote:

Webb is now the elder statesman of US mile running. It just takes a little longer now to find his stride. His 3:37 probably indicts that his 1:51 800 was just a workout. I am sure he does not lose any sleep on what is said about him on this forum.

You probably can almost guarantee he will run at least 3:35 this year. Nobody has any idea if he will run faster. However, Webb has come back from the depths before. Nothing was worse than his post Michigan slump, and yet a few years later he set an American record for the mile. Webb is hardest US miler to pin down. That is why making predictions about him is almost impossible. There is no middle ground for Webb; it is either success or failure.

This race was a perfect example of middle ground

One thing we can all agree on is that it is an exciting time for US 1500 meter running. The days of Jason Lunn winning the nationals in 3:45 are long over.

Why is everyone always hating Webb? He might not make the Olympics, but that will mostly be because of what Hype Man said above. US distance running is probably deeper than it has ever been and we are probably the best non African country. Lets hope he times this right and knocks off another 4-5 seconds. He was part of those first really good years of running where high school kids and then college kids wouldn't accept being just a good American. It hasn't always worked out for him, but I really think he did set the a trend for US distance running. I hope he doesn't read these boards, but if he does, he should know there are still many people who support him and hope he makes it.

You know, I've been doing a lot of Webb hatin' lately. And I'm not ready to gush all over him like he's a lock for London or anything, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt after watching last night's race.

3:37 isn't really the kind of time that screams "medal threat". But we're talking about a guy who has run 3:30/3:46 here, so we know he's capable of more. And the things I'm hearing and seeing makes me think Vig has a master plan that might actually work. Webb is 29 and coming off injury, so it really doesn't make sense to push him too hard in April and May. Just because he's only run 3:37 doesn't mean he couldn't go faster. I think Vig is purposely trying to reign him in and be cautious, waiting for the Trials to really open up and go for it. Keeping him healthy and keeping him fresh. Staying patient.

I'm not saying I think Webb is a legit medal contender at this point, and he'll have his hands full at the Trials. But I'm starting to realize the possibility that Vig may have figured out the Webb puzzle, and AW might be in better shape than we realize right now.

Without knowing Webbs training it is hard to evaluate where he is. He needs to be ~4-5 seconds faster to be in the mix at the trials as there will be a half dozen 3:34 guys that line up. Thats a lot of time to drop. But you have to figure he is trying to peak in 5 weeks and is a bit behind due to injuries so he might just be moving out of his base phase into the hard speed work. Personally I think he runs 3:32 this year but not till august after finishing 5 or so at the trials.

Someone may have already mentioned this but I saw Vigilante when he came up to Webb on the infield right after the race and he acted thrilled. He pumped his fist and hugged him and you could see he was pleased with the result. Webb seemed to be smiling and feeling good about it.

Until he stops improving, I am on the Webb train.

I Have the same feeling.

Btw, who will definitly contend for a 1500m place in the trials? Manzano, Torrence, Brown???

Webb will need to be in 3:33 shape by the trials to even have a shot at the team (with an "A" qualifier in hand) and sub-3:30 shape by the games to have a shot at a medal if he even makes the finals. His trajectory has been rather dramatic this season, but does he really have the capacity to shave off another eight seconds? That's roughly two seconds per lap. 3:33 by year end seems doable. I doubt he can reach sub-3:30 PR form, but I hope he does. Maybe Vig built him a big ole base and is going to peak him perfectly. Seems to be racing a lot though, even if it's "training."

Interesting Factoid wrote:

Q: Last time Webb ran sub 3:35.50?

A: July 6, 2007 Paris 3:30.54 (PR, WL)

i think he ran his AR mile after that, and if he finished in 3:46.91, i think he was most likely faster than 3:35 at the 1500m mark, but that was still 2007. what did he last run at the 5th avenue mile? when he was picking up momentum toward the end of last summer, i believe, webb ran 3:36 somewhere, so he's run pretty close to 3:35 pace in the last year or so.

3:37 does just make him competitive at the collegiate level. i wonder if we will see him jump in anymore 800's, seeing as how the trials will be more of a matter of finishing speed, tactics, and strength. we'll see if webb is savvy enough at racing 1500m to win without being the runner in the best 1500m shape. history would say no.

at the trials, it might take 13:05 to win the mens 5000m, and it might take 3:33 to win the mens 1500m. i'm guessing vigilante has a plan for getting webb's acceleration speed in peak shape right as the champs come around. webb has showed to have enough strength in his recent races to figure some of that strength can be converted to quicker leg turnover, or just greater duration of stamina for vo2 max pace.

there are 5 weeks and 5 days until the qualifying round for the mens 1500m at the trials. in that time span, webb could cover some good ground as far as getting back into shape quickly.

1:54 3:54

1:50

3:43 14:15

3:39 13:52

1:51

3:37.26

i wonder if he'll try getting in a fast 800 or 1000 before the trials. if he can run 1:48 or 2:18 by the trials, i'd consider him dangerous. i know lomong just ran 1:46 and a whole host of others like andrews, wheating, manzano, centrowitz, merber, brown, heath, etc will be right there. andrews, lomong, whetting, centrowitz, and maybe manzano will have finishing speed, whether its over the last 100m or last 800m. wheating's also ran 1:46 as of now, so he's looking great for late may.

Does Webb even need the A standard? Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I thought you could send 2 + 1 with B? Pretty much anyone else who could plausibly be top 3 either has the A or will probably wind up having it.