For that´s quite irrelevant what people thinks about Dunes. I never seen Dunes, i can´t say for sure that Dunnes is the one i think he is. But for me i don´t see Dunes. I see a human being that´s may be he is wrong about Junxia, but as long as he isn´t offensive or unpolite for me - that he didn´t, but some of the posters did - i´don´t see no special reason to give up to discuss to a person that the more inverosimile or ignorant that their ideas that are, he is serious. Let´s think that he is ignorant. Ther´s nothing wrong with ignorance. But he is not an idiot as some of you thinks. He have his own logic. Ruight now this is no more a discussion confined with Junxia or drugs, or that i try to prove to Dunes that i think that Junxia was on drugs. This is a discussion that transcends the bounds of Junxia or drugs. I did profit the occasion to pass some intersting information - as you did - about the use of chinese drugs, about chinese way to see the sport, and i did post about Fernanda, that some of you may have some interst to know that info. Besides, in my opinion, Dunes did improve a lot while our discussion goes on. First he did recognised that his arguments about fantasist examples that are also his own argumentation and his fault. He realises that drugs are just a subject of the profit of companies, and there are something more about drugs than a simple trading of products. He did realise that when he uses all that oriental/chinese practises as the herbs and kind products that he uses - this is also a commerce, may be not so big as MacDonalds or capitalist profit, but that´s still a profit interst the same as certain sport drugs.
Now, i think that Dunes did a step ahead. for a gut that early on said that drugs is not his concern - in his last post he ask me about self blood doping ! What a change ! Or course that or í´m an ignorant about the english language or he ask me that quetion as a insinuation, somthing that he wants to catch me in a trap. I think, but i´m not sure.
I will answer him as i also do, with my sincere opinion.
Now let me profit to add one more informative point to Dunes and you all. Dunes want to make me think that i´m a unique case of obssession about JUnxia drugs use. You know that i´m not since so many of you, for one reason or another you think the same. Thousands and thousands of people that are in the running scene thinks the same than me. But there are others that don´t as Renato is an example.
I know that Dunnes has some conmsideration for the portuguese runners and for the portuguese performances, and for the portuguese achievements. Lopes, Mamede, Rui Silva, Antonio Pinto etc etc. he also loves the way we train what i call the portuguese training method. But let me know you this. In Portugal ther´s a quite unanimity that Juxia did took drugs in the 29:31 WR. The dean of the portuguese coaches, 84 years old Mario Moniz Pereira - may be he is the great Icon of the coaches in the top level, since that Lydiard and many other they did died, the reputed one. Think about a coach that have more reputation in the world in the running distance events - than the pertuguese Moniz Pereira did produce in a single life - world and european records, marathon, 10000, 20kilos track, olympic gold, silver, bronze, world champs, WCCC winners ? All this by the sam eman-coach. Who in the world did more triumphs. Dunes you know who is the man i mention. Mario Moniz Pereira - nominate by the IAAF as the dean of coaches.
He is more compulsive than me to accuse Junxia. Recently he did a conference which the title is "doping in the running sport". Do you know about what he centered his long conference that passes in out portuguese TV ? Presicely about the 29:31 of Junxia.
May be you are a bit deceived about us the protuguese, about the coach of Lopes, Mamede, Domingos and Dionisio Castro, and head director of Rui Silva, and many, many others from the portuguese top, because the way you put your arguiments we may think that i´m the only one portuguese with a strong obssesion to argue aginst Junxia.
Just to let you know that the world reputed distance coach alive he also thinks that Junxia did that with drugs, as many millions we think the same - and that millions includes also Lopes, Mamede and me.