Ohio Runner, I have trouble at times conveying my thoughts on a message board. I forget that you have to place everything in context. I called Gary's recent job as 'phenomenal' in comparison to OSU's distance history and the reputation of the current head coach. OSU has had some solid individuals (Byers, Klassa, Croghan), but until Chris England of a few years ago, OSU had only one runner in their history breaking 30 minutes (so 3 young ones at once is phenomenal 'for OSU'). Remember, Russ Rogers allocates very little money toward distance runners. So, Gary's runners who are talented and running 'well', are approaching 'amazing' in the context of OSU. These things are being done all over the US, but few with a head coach who is anti-distance. As for your contention that OSU gets Ohio's best, nothing could be further from the truth. How many of the sub 9:10's have gone to OSU? Few to none. Going way back (Sharsu, Zishka, Fry, Kennedy, White, Bogenshultz, Ward, Mueller, etc) have all gone out of state. In fact, most of the present solid guys are from out of state. Thanks for calling me on this. Yes, phenomenal is too strong, but I am comparing it to a dim history that has always seemed it should be a player nationally with the strong hs situation.