Big East men's 10K -- won in 33:06!!!?!

i think its the 30:30 guys that should have been pushing pace. the slowest guys would only have a chance if the race was slow and maybe they could squeak a point or two out of the sprint.

you would think somebody thinks they are a beater heat runner and make it a tough race

kind of surprised the last mile was only 4:37 though. expected something faster than that

This, pretty much. A lot of guys who weren't going to be in the top 10 anyways placed further back and ran a hell of a lot slower than they could have had they gotten up front for a while. Granted, in the heat, the guy who takes the lead and KEEPS it for a long time ALWAYS gets lit up.

These guys missed a great opportunity to run the Olympic "A" standard. Conference meets in Florida in May are usually where blazing times are run, especially at 10k. I hope all of those dudes are ashamed of themselves.

Right you are. If you aren't down here in 'South' Florida, you do not know what real humidity is. Sure, my last mile on my 6 miler last evening (5:32), 2nd run of the day, was beaten by these guys only from mile 4 to the end, but it would have been suicidal to take this race out at an honest pace in those conditions. I felt fantastic running in Nashville two weeks ago in relative cold, so the weather conditions make a tremendous difference. Consider that while USF does not attempt to field a serious distance team, most of the other programs come from much cooler places by this time of year, so the good runners were not acclimated and could not risk a hard 10k. And then conference meets are always going to be slow in the distances, because only the points matter, the athletes will be doubling and tripling, and there are fast goal races in the coming weeks.

And yet the women's race was won in 34:37, and it took place before the men's race.

Finally a few voices of reason on this thread. I would guess that none of those blasting these runners have any conference-level championship 10k experience, as it really comes off that they have no idea what they're talking about.

For what it's worth, I have run a LOT of conference 10ks, so I do know what I am talking about. But that is completely beside the point.

The bottom line, no matter how you slice it, is that 18:06 is pathetic. I don't care if it is 100 degrees and windy as hell. 18:06 is insulting. No one here is arguing that these guys should have been hammering and trying to run 29 low. But 18:06? Come on, that is an easy run. What shocks me even more is that no one, NOT ONCE, decided to drop a quick middle lap just to throw everyone off their game. That is racing. I don't give a **** if you wanna run an 85 second lap, but you better be throwing in some 62s in the middle to make it a race. Fartlek racing = racing. Jogging 90 second laps = a joke.

No, you did. He never said that you bonehead!!!

rojo wrote:

Fred McGriff wrote:

6;04 first mile, 18:06 through 5k

A few comments.

1) What was the mile 4, mile 5 and maybe 9200 splits?

I really want to know how this played out.

2) I really wish the women's 10k had been after the men's and the women had seen this time and gone for it to embarrass the men.

3) Anyone think they out to have some standard of "Hey if you don't run a certain time, the points come off the board."

On that last point I'll say no but I will substitute "coaches that post bullshit such as the above should lose their position as coach".

I would prefer to see the Olympic 10k won in 29:00 than 27:00.

More fun to watch imo. Obviously not a popular opinion on here though.

Despite all your rage, the winner gets the ten points.

10sleep wrote:

Huh? WTF?

1. Mark Dennin, JR GEORGETOWN - 33:06.47

2. Robert Molke, JR SYRACUSE - 33:07.07

3. TC Lumbar, SR GEORGETOWN - 33:08.76

95 degrees and humid. That's WTF.

It is a 10,000m race, not 5000m race. Midpoint times are 'worthless' since it was a chess match pitting runners against each other and with all main participants gaining if they come out in better shape, since that way they can get more points. If you cannot understand that then tough, you are too stupid to spend time educating.

over reaction ? wrote:

For what it's worth, I have run a LOT of conference 10ks, so I do know what I am talking about. But that is completely beside the point.

The bottom line, no matter how you slice it, is that 18:06 is pathetic. I don't care if it is 100 degrees and windy as hell. 18:06 is insulting. No one here is arguing that these guys should have been hammering and trying to run 29 low. But 18:06? Come on, that is an easy run. What shocks me even more is that no one, NOT ONCE, decided to drop a quick middle lap just to throw everyone off their game. That is racing. I don't give a **** if you wanna run an 85 second lap, but you better be throwing in some 62s in the middle to make it a race. Fartlek racing = racing. Jogging 90 second laps = a joke.

Everyone in the race was a coward.

Distance Maniac wrote:

95 degrees and humid. That's WTF.

Except that it wasn't 95 and it really wasn't that humid. Don't use the weather as an excuse for a super crazy tactical race, because it wasn't bad at all.

fdsafsafsdfd wrote:

Raptured wrote:

I recall Lumbar being a 14:xx XC 5k guy back in high school. Obviously a tactical race in horrible conditions.

TC Lumbar was a good runner, but he never broke 15 in high school. Minnesota has too many "real" cross country courses to do it. But he was a 9:12ish two-miler on the track, that's for sure.

Oh, was that it? I'm also from MN and recalled him being faster.

At the UAA conference (one of the faster D3 conferences) meet a few years ago, it was 90 degrees and really sunny. Everyone was really surprised at how slow the 10k was won: 33:00! That was by a 30:00 guy. Consider that these were milder conditions, with significantly faster guys, and was run even slower. To run over 18:00 for the first 5k is just completely pathetic.

Distance Maniac wrote:

95 degrees and humid. That's WTF.

I live about 10 miles from the campus and it was warm but not stifling so. Might affect those from the north a bit more but not to the degree it did. Maybe the competitors didn't want to blow their wad in a conference 10,000. Who knows. It was tactics much more than weather.

All the internet tough guys can stuff it since they only demonstrate their cluelessness with every post.

Brian Wave wrote:

Distance Maniac wrote:

95 degrees and humid. That's WTF.

I live about 10 miles from the campus and it was warm but not stifling so. Might affect those from the north a bit more but not to the degree it did. Maybe the competitors didn't want to blow their wad in a conference 10,000. Who knows. It was tactics much more than weather.

All the internet tough guys can stuff it since they only demonstrate their cluelessness with every post.

Didn't you know all LR posters have run at least sub 29 for 10K?