"sports medicine" is a joke.
"sports medicine" is a joke.
Most?
Much more than 30mpw puts an awful lot of stress on the knees. You want to be able to play with your grandkids when you're 40, don't you?
3e3e3 wrote:
You want to be able to play with your grandkids when you're 40, don't you?
Let me guess, you live south of the Mason-Dixon line.
3e3e3 wrote:
Much more than 30mpw puts an awful lot of stress on the knees. You want to be able to play with your grandkids when you're 40, don't you?
this is Simon
http://www.fillingthelanes.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SimonPhoenix.jpgJuuuuust a bit south of the line, yes.
William Yank wrote:
3e3e3 wrote:You want to be able to play with your grandkids when you're 40, don't you?
Let me guess, you live south of the Mason-Dixon line.
They don't say that in other parts of the country?
Why do most runners think they know more about the body's biomechanics and the average amount of stress it can withstand than doctors? Oh, that's right, it's because you're obsession with running dominates every thought you have. "How dare that stupid and incompetent doctor question my body's ability to handle this mileage! He doesn't know my abilities! This stress fracture is just a temporary setback that was in no way influenced by my body's limits!"
It takes a freak of nature to handle the pounding of 100 mile weeks, and the doctor is just telling you that it's unlikely your body can hold up. That's why your visiting him/her afterall, right?
You're an idiot wrote:
Why do most runners think they know more about the body's biomechanics and the average amount of stress it can withstand than doctors? Oh, that's right, it's because you're obsession with running dominates every thought you have. "How dare that stupid and incompetent doctor question my body's ability to handle this mileage! He doesn't know my abilities! This stress fracture is just a temporary setback that was in no way influenced by my body's limits!"
It takes a freak of nature to handle the pounding of 100 mile weeks, and the doctor is just telling you that it's unlikely your body can hold up. That's why your visiting him/her afterall, right?
You're...
..idiot!
You're an idiot wrote:
It takes a freak of nature to handle the pounding of 100 mile weeks, and the doctor is just telling you that it's unlikely your body can hold up. That's why your visiting him/her afterall, right?
bones can get stronger after you get stress fractures
I've had a number of stress fractures and everytime I have to give a doctor my medical history they are baffled.
I've also had a number of orthopedists tell me they thought I was more in need of a psychiatrist than an orthopedist because I kept doing something that caused me injury.
Watcher of Spelling Stuff wrote:
You're an idiot wrote:Why do most runners think they know more about the body's biomechanics and the average amount of stress it can withstand than doctors? Oh, that's right, it's because you're obsession with running dominates every thought you have. "How dare that stupid and incompetent doctor question my body's ability to handle this mileage! He doesn't know my abilities! This stress fracture is just a temporary setback that was in no way influenced by my body's limits!"
It takes a freak of nature to handle the pounding of 100 mile weeks, and the doctor is just telling you that it's unlikely your body can hold up. That's why your visiting him/her afterall, right?
You're...
..idiot!
Thanks! You even missed the second one: Last sentence (should be 'your.')
You're an idiot wrote:
Why do most runners think they know more about the body's biomechanics and the average amount of stress it can withstand than doctors? Oh, that's right, it's because you're obsession with running dominates every thought you have. "How dare that stupid and incompetent doctor question my body's ability to handle this mileage! He doesn't know my abilities! This stress fracture is just a temporary setback that was in no way influenced by my body's limits!"
It takes a freak of nature to handle the pounding of 100 mile weeks, and the doctor is just telling you that it's unlikely your body can hold up. That's why your visiting him/her afterall, right?
Maybe because not all doctors know everything there is to know about running related injuries? I don't know, but I would guess most sports medicine doctors spend more time on broken bones, torn acls and heat stroke than on how much mileage is good for you. Even Tim Noakes, an MD himself and professor of physiology and exercise science, says in "Lore of Running" that you shouldn't completely trust a doctor who isn't a runner.
Many Primary Care Sports Med doctors don't necessarily know as much as you would hope they would regarding physiology or even biomechanics. Many learn things by the books alone, and do not understand what is involved in elite level running. There are plenty of resources that list one of the treatments for overuse injury is simply reducing training volume or intensity, and make no mention of what impact this will have on performance.
I have also dealt with physiologists that question why somebody has to run 45 miles a week to prepare for a race that is only 5K long. Many people just don't understand...
the best answer is that doctors only see the problems, the injuries, so they are disposed to be negative.
They don't see the people who run 70 mpw endlessly and never get hurt.
the average person does not need more than 30 to 45 minutes of aerobic exercise a day to stay healthy. More than 4 to 6 miles a day is probably enough.
I don't think the people on this message board are "average" sedentary people.
If your goal is fitness running much more than 3 miles a day is a waste of time. I figured that out and aim for shorter runs at faster speeds. I now enjoy my program much more and I don't get injured or burnt out this way. I weight train and run on alternate days with one day off. Because of the shorter distances I run I retain the muscle from my weight training sessions and I'm built more like a sprinter than a scrawny distance runner. When I run competively I now do 5Ks only. Much more fun, it's healthier for me and less stress on the body.
I once had an ortho tell me I should ride a bike instead of running when I came in for a stress fracture. I asked him whether he was serious. He sort of backed off, but did say that he sees lots of running injuries with all the people who are trying to run marathons these days. I pressed him on whether he had any serious runners as patients. He admitted that my measley 2:4- marathoning was way faster than anyone else he had treated.
The problem with sports med guys is that they do not see serious runners. They see a lot of people who are just trying to get through a marathon who get all kinds of injuries because they do not have the mileage base and training needed to handle the mileage. These people go from a comfortable routine of 20-30 mpw to 40-50 and get hurt. So, sports med guys think that higher mileage is bad because they associate it with injury. To the sports med guys, if these people would just stick to 30 mpw, they would be fine. So, when serious runners come in and say they are doing 70-90 mpw in their marathon build up, the sports med guys freak out.
I remember reading on here in the last few years about a study that came out of Stanford that concluded that runners who train through their development stages(before they are full grown) are actually at a very low risk of knee problems when they are older. It's the folks who start distance running when they are already full grown that have the long term knee problems. I'm too lazy to try and look it up, so maybe someone else can. But he just of it was that while your developing, if you are running miles, your body develops in a way that helps you sustain that for the rest of your life. If you don't run while you are developing, you body is
Simple, running a lot causes most people to have injuries.
