Thoughts anyone?
Thoughts anyone?
Yes. If Semenya race the full 800m at 100% effort.
Barakus'Obama wrote:
Yes. If Semenya race the full 800m at 100% effort.
Yeah, Semenya could do it if a) in shape and b) *forced* to do it, in order to win.
She's smart enough not to run faster than she has to.
You mean, "HE's smart enough..."
Menace wrote:
Thoughts anyone?
It's gonna require a doping regimen and cover-up of a magnitude that's only possible in America. It'll happen.
yes it can be broken by another man, Semenya.
Barakus'Obama wrote:
Yes. If Semenya race the full 800m at 100% effort.
I think she has to develop her leg speed velocity first.
There are many womens WR that won't be broken for decades to come:
400m
1500m
10000m
Marathon
I would include the 800 but I see the possibility of it being broken by Semenya.
The 400 could also be broken by a man in womens clothes.
The 10000m and Marathon is a mark that is already very hard, even for a man, let alone for a feminine man. Therefore I don't see the big risk there...
Why not add Flo-Jo's records to that list? They are just as unlikely to be broken anytime soon as they were just as drug-aiden as the Eastern Europeans'.
Keitany would have a pretty good shot at the marathon WR if she were allowed male pacers in a mixed race.
another banned poster wrote:
Why not add Flo-Jo's records to that list? They are just as unlikely to be broken anytime soon as they were just as drug-aiden as the Eastern Europeans'.
Keitany would have a pretty good shot at the marathon WR if she were allowed male pacers in a mixed race.
1. Flo_Jos' 100 of 10.49 is IMHO wind aided, and I am not the only one who thinks so. If you take that performance away, she is only 0.03s faster than Jeter.
2. Keitany is almost as far away (3+ min) from the WR as Makau and Kipsang from breaking 2 hours. Neither will happen in their careers.
I think that at this point, Jeter is FloJo's equal.
Look at their top corrected times, excluding that windy 10.49:
FloJo--
10.61 (1.2) = 10.68
10.62 (1.0) = 10.68
10.70 (1.6) = 10.79
CarJet--
10.64 (1.2) = 10.71
10.67 (-0.1)= 10.66
10.70 (2.0) = 10.81 (*)
10.78 (0.4) = 10.80
10.82 (0.4) = 10.84
(*)-questionable Eugene time, should be thrown out.
FloJo's average top 3 is around 10.72, with 10.68 best
CarJet's average top 3 is also around 10.72, with 10.66 best
Curiously, FloJo doesn't appear on the chart again, which ends at 10.82
It is only that windy 10.49 that sets her apart from CarJet.
Faulty wind gauges happen. It could happen again, but the odds of it happening in an otherwise 10.6x race are very slim indeed.
And I don't see Jeter improving to 10.49 without excessive wind, or DOPING. The wind is unlikely as is the DOPING.
Nobody else is close. Without the wind in Indy, Jeter would be FloJo's equal.
That 10.49 will stand for a LONG time unless a female Bolt comes along. It would be exactly as if Johnson had run a windy 9.67 WR in 1988. Still nobody would have touched it except for Bolt, and then only once.
10.49 is here to stay.
The 200m could go down, though, considering where Jeter already is this season. Good conditioning, good conditions, and a good race could see that record fall this year.
I think that Jarmila's record for ugliest female ever to walk the planet has gotta be pretty safe. And that's saying something - I've been to a county fair!
I've come to like Sprintgeezer's doping v DOPING slant. Because here: "The wind is unlikely as is the DOPING." He's not saying she not doping, just that she's not DOPING. Good angle Mr Geezer, that was an awesome post in the other thread.
Yea, only person close to Flo Jo's record is another man, Carmelita Jeter.
Exactly why I support lifetime bans for cheaters! The record books are littered with fraudulent numbers that may never be broken because of it.
Nutella1 wrote:
1. Flo_Jos' 100 of 10.49 is IMHO wind aided,
Why do you think that? Were you actually in the stands??
I'm betting you were NOT there and are only going by what you've heard instead of actually having experienced it in person.
Now wheather she was juiced or not is another matter.
Nutella1 wrote:
There are many womens WR that won't be broken for decades to come:
400m
1500m
10000m
Marathon
I would include the 800 but I see the possibility of it being broken by Semenya.
The 400 could also be broken by a man in womens clothes.
The 10000m and Marathon is a mark that is already very hard, even for a man, let alone for a feminine man. Therefore I don't see the big risk there...
Disagree. The 10000M might possibly be able to be broken now. The question is whether or not we can get the top marathoners to try a couple of fast 10000s.
What are the best ways to develop "leg speed velocity"?
Wind sprints, sprint up hill, all out sprints on grass
or sand?
Thanks.
oh please wrote:
Disagree. The 10000M might possibly be able to be broken now. The question is whether or not we can get the top marathoners to try a couple of fast 10000s.
When was the last time anyone came within 20 seconds of that mark? That record is safer than Bekeles 10k mark.
It may only take a 2:18 flat Marathon runner to break the record but that runner would be busy roadwhoring herself with two Marathons per year and a couple halfs.
Menace wrote:
Thoughts anyone?
Why would you wonder if that record would ever be broken?
She was only half a second faster than the previous world record (Olizarenko) when she set it.
And both Jelimo and Quirot have come fairly close to her time since.
I think Kratochvilova didn’t run that many 800’s, because with her 400 speed of 47.99, she should have really run around 1.52 - and that time would have really taken some beating.
Wow, you are quick to jump on the wind-aided thing on Flo-Jo's record.
It's common knowledge at this point, people that were there on the day and the officials working the meet have said that the wind meter was not functioning properly as there was clearly strong wind as seen and felt in the stadium but the meter was reading exactly ZERO.
But that aside, yes, Flo Jo was on drugs just as clearly as Carmelita Jeter. Sorry, but strength work and changes in technique do not take off THAT much time when you are already at your peak, and physical prime.
Our sport will never be popular until we get all the bullshit cheaters out of it so people know what they can believe.