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copy and paste that.
My household uses less than 1.2 kilowatt hours per person per day.
How about yours?
From that chart, it looks like we could live well in China or Mexico. I would prefer to live elsewhere than India though.
That's a great chart, very eye-opening.
So I don't want to downplay it. But I would be interested to look at a similar chart vs. GDP instead of population. USA might not be as much of a standout in that case.
Seems like in a way, this is just another facet of global wealth disparity.
mileage man wrote:
I would be interested to look at a similar chart vs. GDP instead of population.
Why?
GDP represents the total dollar value of all goods and services produced over a specific time period.
The calculation can be done in one of two ways: either by adding up what everyone earned in a year (income approach), or by adding up what everyone spent (expenditure method). Logically, both measures should arrive at roughly the same total.
Basically the GDP shows that the U.S. prints more money than any other country, and that the U.S. spends more money than any other country.
fdsf wrote:
copy and paste that.
I will not copy and paste it. Either post it as a clickable link, or I will not go to the site. Please have some respect for other peoples' time and understand that you are asking people with very busy schedules to copy and paste a link that they should just be able to click on.
Does that include your share of what is used at your job and your kid's school? How about the electricity to produce and distribute to you everything you consume? (and not just physical products, but things like your small share of Google's server farms, etc).
You may still be well under average, which really isn't too hard if you actually try to limit consumption, but you are leaving out a significant chunk of your total (like more than half) by only considering what your electric bill says.
I will not wrote:
I will not copy and paste it. Either post it as a clickable link, or I will not go to the site. Please have some respect for other peoples' time and understand that you are asking people with very busy schedules to copy and paste a link that they should just be able to click on.
You don't have to copy and paste.
Just highlight the link, right click, select "open in new tab" from window.
94087 wrote:
Does that include your share of what is used at your job and your kid's school?
Yes of course it does.
How about the electricity to produce and distribute to you everything you consume? (and not just physical products, but things like your small share of Google's server farms, etc).
Huh. I don't use google.
Look at the chart, and answer my question.
You may still be well under average, which really isn't too hard if you actually try to limit consumption, but you are leaving out a significant chunk of your total (like more than half) by only considering what your electric bill says.
Wrong. I included all electricity used by my household.
J.R. wrote:
Yes of course it does.
You're full of shit.
J.R. wrote:
Huh. I don't use google.
How did you look at the chart?
J.R. wrote:
Wrong. I included all electricity used by my household.
Again, you're full of shit. You did not compute your share of public street lighting, or how much electricity is used in the production of the toilet paper that you must use so much of, since you are so full of shit.
US does use a lot of energy for sure, although a handful of countries are ahead of it (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Canada, Luxembourg, whoa Iceland!)...pretty much places with equal wealth but colder temps.
Although if we're using weather as an excuse, I'd say the US definitely has more extreme temps than Europe, even including the populated portions of the nordic countries.
Highest and lowest monthly averages (°F):
Berlin: 75.2 / 29.1
Boston: 81.8 / 22.3
Paris: 77.4 / 36.5
New York: 84.9 / 26.9
Madrid: 88.2 / 36.7
Chicago: 84.8 / 18.5
Moscow: 75.6 / 15.6
Minneapolis: 83.4 / 7.4
Oslo: 70.7 / 19.8
Denver: 88.7 / 17.6
The west coast is really the only place comparable to most of Europe in terms of climate. And what do you know, California uses a bit over half the per capita electricity of the rest of the US. Just like most of Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Residential-Energy-consumption.png
Of course another huge factor is the population density, where again Europe has the US clobbered. Much more efficient to have everybody crammed together in tiny apartments than McMansions in the burbs.
Forget about all of the developing nations, those people couldn't use more energy per capita than those in the US even if they really wanted to. Shoot, I bet those dudes sweating it out in the shanty towns of Delhi would kill to use as much energy on AC as they do in Houston.
They'll use more when they have the infrastructure.
We are the greatest country in the history of the world, our use of resources and energy is a part of what makes us so.
94087 wrote:
or how much electricity is used in the production of the toilet paper that you must use so much of, since you are so full of shit.
I lol'd pretty hard at this. But then I got to thinking and 94087 you forgot to factor in that this guy is a huge ass wipe and thus, has no need for toilet paper.
JR you are stupid. The point is that you use electricity in many ways that aren't on your bill.
Do you eat food you don't grow? Do you ever travel on roads? Do you have visitors who travel on roads? Do you use plastics? Metals? Wood? Rely on streetlights ever? Have delivery people who rely on streetlights?
All those parts of your lifestyle are dependent on electricity. So if you put PV panels on your roof - you're still using lots of electricity beyond that.
Wise the hell up - jesus.
track town sub 13 wrote:
JR you are stupid. The point is that you use electricity in many ways that aren't on your bill.
You can't read the chart, and you're calling me the stupid one.
Hey JR - apparently you can't read a chart. Yes, you are stupid.
How did you compute your share of street lighting?
track town sub 13 wrote:
Hey JR - apparently you can't read a chart. Yes, you are stupid.
How did you compute your share of street lighting?
Well I can't be that dumb since, according to you, I'm the CEO of google, own several utility companies, am in charge of building all roads, the power generation for all street lights, own several major grocery chains, gas and oil companies, and even with all of this I use less electricity than you do in your house. Wow, this is amazing.
Ohhh... no you're just stupid enough to not understand the concept of 'use'.
Here is a hint. If you close your eyes, the construction workers will keep working on the road that carries your fat ass around.
You remind me of rural americans who think they are 'green' when nothing could be further from the truth. The infrastructure to support your lifestyle doesn't end at the threshold of your shack.
My city has a "streetlight fee" to, somehow, recoup those costs.
track town sub 13 wrote:
Ohhh... no you're just stupid enough to not understand the concept of 'use'.
Here is a hint. If you close your eyes, the construction workers will keep working on the road that carries your fat ass around.
You remind me of rural americans who think they are 'green' when nothing could be further from the truth. The infrastructure to support your lifestyle doesn't end at the threshold of your shack.
This is a really good point about rural life. I live in a real small town in upstate NY. I'm sort of an exception to the rule because I actually work about 1/4 mile from my house and walk most days.
In general though, while appearing more green, rural life uses a lot of resources. Individual houses are heated/cooled less efficiently than apartments, travel times are longer and public transit is usually non-existent, running power, phone, cable, whatever to rural locations is less efficient because there are fewer people served per dollar invested in infrastructure. Same goes for roads or anything else.
Obviously there are people who truly live off the land, or who make a strong effort to offset their impact. For example, one of my coworkers has a wind turbine on his property that produces much more electricity than he uses.
