go to the 5k? stay and try go after 1500... love to hear some private conversations over this topic
go to the 5k? stay and try go after 1500... love to hear some private conversations over this topic
very easy decision imo. 1500
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I would think 1500m still no question. The 5k is very very strong right now, with Lagat, and potentially a doubling rupp being essentially untouchable, there is really only one slot available.
Not saying the 1500m is going to be easy, it is as strong as it may have EVER been as far as depth goes, but that is just the thing, is there ANY lock out there in the 1500m right now? Alan Webb looked very very good tonight, and his chances look much much much better than they have in a long time, but he is not going to get on that line as a favorite, but he will have a chance.
857432 wrote:
go to the 5k? stay and try go after 1500... love to hear some private conversations over this topic
Honestly, the 5K is really not a fast enough race for Webb's leg speed velocity. Yes, he can run it and has proven to run it well in the past, but it's not his forte.
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:
857432 wrote:go to the 5k? stay and try go after 1500... love to hear some private conversations over this topic
Honestly, the 5K is really not a fast enough race for Webb's leg speed velocity. Yes, he can run it and has proven to run it well in the past, but it's not his forte.
That doesn't even make a little bit of sense.
No Way wrote:
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:Honestly, the 5K is really not a fast enough race for Webb's leg speed velocity. Yes, he can run it and has proven to run it well in the past, but it's not his forte.
That doesn't even make a little bit of sense.
It makes perfect sense if you have an understanding of running biomechanics. Would you have David Rudisha run the 5K?
After Lomong's performance, I can't see anyone but possibly Lagat beating him at the trials.
Webb needs to stick to the 1500.
HERES LOPEZ wrote:
After Lomong's performance, I can't see anyone but possibly Lagat beating him at the trials.
Galen Rupp is going to be running 13:11 as the second half of a 10000 this year.
I'm sure whatever idea you're trying to convey makes sense, but the words you're using are gibberish. The 5000m is not fast enough for Webb's leg speed velocity?
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:
No Way wrote:That doesn't even make a little bit of sense.
It makes perfect sense if you have an understanding of running biomechanics. Would you have David Rudisha run the 5K?
Okay, "Middle Distance Analyst," you're going to tell me that:
1. We understand the biomechanical factors that impact who succeeds *among* elite distance runners.
and not only that, but ...
2. We understand how those factors differ between the 1500m and the 5000m.
and, just to top it all off ...
3. You can tell that Webb's biomechanics give him a better chance to succeed at the 1500m than the 5000m ... just by watching? (I'm assuming here that you've not had the chance to break down Webb's form with high-speed video analysis, force plate stuff, etc. Even if I'm wrong about that, see points 1 and 2.)
I could keep going, but that's pretty much three strikes and you're out, M.D.A.
Bonus question: what event did Zatopek's biomechanics best suit him for?
if webb can't run 146 for the 800 in a race or time trial - sometime before the OG trials but he's run a sub 740 3000m, then he has to look at the 5000.
maybe we'll see web do a couple of 800's in 147 and 145?
then he's ontrack.
Webb's not gonna make it. Look, he's getting faster, he will be in 3:35 shape come the Trials, but does he have any weapons??? He is going to need to explode with a great kick to make this team, a kick to rival that of Manzano, Weating, Centro, etc. He can run 3:35 steady, but we need to see a dramatic change in pace from Webb to have a chance.
He can win with a long drawn out kick. He can't wait until late.
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:
857432 wrote:go to the 5k? stay and try go after 1500... love to hear some private conversations over this topic
Honestly, the 5K is really not a fast enough race for Webb's leg speed velocity. Yes, he can run it and has proven to run it well in the past, but it's not his forte.
What about his foot speed velocity though? And have you even bothered factoring in pelvic trajectory?
Aghast wrote:
He can win with a long drawn out kick. He can't wait until late.
In the 1500?
If Webb takes over with a long drawn out kick from 800m I just don't see him getting away from Manzano, Lomong and Centrowitz, a healthly Wheating or even Torrence.
They would love for him to take over and draw it out.
In the 5,000 he's not getting away either.
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:
...Webb's leg speed velocity. Yes, he can run it and has proven to run it well in the past, but it's not his forte.
Leg speed velocity?
Leg speed velocity?
Dude, the idiots on here who talk about foot speed or leg speed as opposed to just speed are bad enough. But now you've gone and one upped them.
Leg speed velocity?!? What's next - foot speed velocity quickness rapidity?
We just saw Letsrun history.
I think leg speed velocity is going to be a phrase that will be heavily used here for years to come.
Maybe Webb should consider the steeple, but his best chance is probably still at 1500.
HERES LOPEZ wrote:
After Lomong's performance, I can't see anyone but possibly Lagat beating him at the trials.
Webb needs to stick to the 1500.
ja, this is right - there is only one spot in the 5000 if both lagat and lomong run...the 1500 is more open and always more of a crapshoot anyway.
I'm changing my mind after Lomong's 5k: Webb should not move up to the 5k.