NCAA restricts summer running plans

Do you really need to specify which day a given workout should be run during base training? You can tell your guys what workouts to run, what order to run the workouts in through the week, how many easy days to have in between any two workouts, etc without specifying that a given workout must be run on a given day.

Yeah you'll have to give them a pamphlet on how to design their own summer routine, but make it idiot proof.

..and Sean Payton isn't allowed watch Saints games. Just give them their training and don't worry about it.

They shouldnt be doing any workouts over the summer.

Just tell them to get in 120-140 miles each week.

When you get them back in tha fall, they will be cardiovascular machines.

talk with the compliance officer. It is his/her job to know these things and show you the NCAA rule.

For a foreigner, can you please explain why you can't coach your athletes during the summer? What is the logic behind that?

You're a college coach and you can't figure this out?

Tell your kids, to run with a club.

Give them the plan, then give them THE plan.

Barakus Obama wrote:

For a foreigner, can you please explain why you can't coach your athletes during the summer? What is the logic behind that?

Because the NCAA is a business run by i****.

SomeWeirdSin wrote:

Yeah you'll have to give them a pamphlet on how to design their own summer routine, but make it idiot proof.

Couldn't you just give them a week by week plan explaining the workouts without giving specific days for each workout? So if you would have given the following plan for a given week:

Sunday: 110 minute long run

Monday: 20 minute tempo + 4X300m extended strides

Tuesday: 60 minute distance run

Wednesday: 60 minute distance run

Thursday: 80 minute progression run

Friday: 60 minute distance run

Saturday: 50 minute recovery run

You could just say: "Week X is to include a 110 minute long run, a 20 minute tempo run followed by 4 300m extended strides, an 80 minute progression run, 3 60 minute distance runs, and a 50 minute recovery run. The tempo workout should be completed the day after the long run. The progression run should be preceeded by two distance run days."

Obviously an actual plan would include a lot more specificity that I didn't feel like including in a made up schedule (paces, secondary runs, drills, etc), but all of that stuff could easily be included within the type of explanation given.

My understanding is that was the OLD rule, but that a few years back they changed it to allow day-to-day training. I remember thinking at the time "oh good, now I'm not breaking the rules anymore"

Logic has very little to do with this. The NCAA is an umbrella organization that makes rules for all university sports. Athletes are supposed to have "off" seasons, e.g., the basketball coach cannot have practices in the later spring or summer or early autumn, the baseball coach can't have practices in the autumn, etc. Somehow some NCAA bureaucrats are construing assigning specific runs to specific days as "practice."

To the OP, what if instead of saying "Sunday, Monday, etc." your schedule read "Day 1, Day 2," etc?

17.23.6...how do you define "countable athletically related activities outside the institution's declared playing season?" I would interpret that as saying you can't conduct practice "in person" but that you can give them a woukout plan.

You guys (and gals) are over thinking it. They just need to know they need to run a lot of miles, some of it "up-tempo" when feeling good, and some short hill sprints and striders thrown in. Why do they need a "schedule?"

To be honest as a D1 college runner i dont follow my coaches training plan exactly. if he has a tempo run for tuesday and im busy or dont feel good i may move it to wednesday. or my long run on saturday not sunday. so saying once a week do this or three times a week run this pace isnt a big deal they should know roughly how to train under you

HRE wrote:

Logic has very little to do with this. The NCAA is an umbrella organization that makes rules for all university sports. Athletes are supposed to have "off" seasons, e.g., the basketball coach cannot have practices in the later spring or summer or early autumn, the baseball coach can't have practices in the autumn, etc. Somehow some NCAA bureaucrats are construing assigning specific runs to specific days as "practice."

To the OP, what if instead of saying "Sunday, Monday, etc." your schedule read "Day 1, Day 2," etc?

Thanks for clarifying. How silly.

Why not just give them a workout plan anyway? Vocally I mean, it's not like they can proove you did that and as if any of your runners would rat you out.

Football and men's basketball drive everything in the NCAA. The NCAA and the college presidents don't want football and men's basketball to have year round organized practices so that everyone can pretend that the players are "student-athletes" and not just athletes.

The rules made with football and basketball in mind then slop over to the non-revenue sports even when they don't make sense.

I think the real question should be is it practicle to practical to plan out 3 months of training for individuals who have extremely different schedules in the summer.

During the summer I worked at a restuarant, I would know my work schedule 2 weeks in advance. If I wanted to put in a more intense training session than just a run I wouldn't do it on a day that I was on my feet for 10 hours at work. It would have been possible to do it, just better to do it later because I may not be back at work for 4 days.

Your runners are in college, they don't need their hand held. I think athletes get more satisfaction out of their training if they are part of deciding what they are doing.