Take a hypothetical runner who has broken 4 minutes for the mile off low-mileage/high intensity training, say 30-40 mpw. Do you think they can finish a marathon in a repectable time (i.e. not crawling to the finish in 5 hours)?
Take a hypothetical runner who has broken 4 minutes for the mile off low-mileage/high intensity training, say 30-40 mpw. Do you think they can finish a marathon in a repectable time (i.e. not crawling to the finish in 5 hours)?
What do you mean by respectable? Sub 2:10? Sub 2:20?
Hmmm... How about sub 2:50?
cpint708 wrote:
Take a hypothetical runner who has broken 4 minutes for the mile off low-mileage/high intensity training, say 30-40 mpw. Do you think they can finish a marathon in a repectable time (i.e. not crawling to the finish in 5 hours)?
First off your premise is false, nobody runs a 4:00 mile on 30-40 mpw, second yes obviously they could run a marathon even off of 30-40 mpw, tons of people run marathons on that volume of training
Yeah this really needs to be clarified better. Obviously any sub 4 guy could complete a marathon. They could easily run under 3 hours. But it gets sketchy when you wonder if every sub 4 guy could do something like sub 2:40. I think the deciding factor wouldn't be their speed or fitness, it would be their hydration/nutrition and pacing. I could definitely see a sub4 guy going out really confident and blowing up big time.
Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.
well wrote:
First off your premise is false, nobody runs a 4:00 mile on 30-40 mpw...
Didn't Bannister run less than 30 miles a week?
Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:
Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.
Geb is not "any sub-4 miler."
David Torrence has said on Reddit said if he tried a marathon right now, he'd be thrilled with under 3 hours. He might be being modest, but I would imagine for the fast 800 types (Nick Symmonds, KD, Charles Jock) who could be sub-4 would not be able to run solid marathon times.
Nell McAndrew (search google images right now!) a 38 year old former glamour model ran 2:54 in London today. Surely a professional athlete sub 4 miler could beat her in a marathon..??
Eamon Coghland ran around 2.25 right at the end of his career
Gabe Jennings, the banjo playing, bike riding, naked yoga, sub 4 mile, marathon runing dude.
just a sampling of sub 4 milers. Could they all break 2:30:00? (5:43 pace)
David Torrence
Leo Manzano
Nick Willis
Russell Brown
Lukus Verzbickus
Lopez Lomong
Evan Jager
A.J. Acosta
history wrote:
well wrote:First off your premise is false, nobody runs a 4:00 mile on 30-40 mpw...
Didn't Bannister run less than 30 miles a week?
Yea, he ran like 20 mpw.
Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:
Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.
He was also the worlds greatest 10000 meter runner, so of course he could have run a good marathon off that.
den bosch wrote:
Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.
Geb is not "any sub-4 miler."
look at how it's phrased? While it probably means "could just about any random sub 4 miler" it could also be taken as "could any, just at least 1 of hundreds, of sub 4 milers"
cpint708 wrote:
Hmmm... How about sub 2:50?
I recall reading somewhere that Henry Marsh (3:59 and an 8:09 steeple-chaser) ran a ~3-hour marathon to keep his uncle company and said he could barely walk the next day. Of course who knows how serious he was being and how much faster he could have run.
Part of me wants to think that there may be a few extremely fast guys that couldn't do it, but I'm not sure. I think most could though.
The question is, why on earth would they finish faster than a few seconds after her?http://greenobles.com/data_images/nell-mcandrew/nell-mcandrew-01.jpg
hmmmm wrote:
Nell McAndrew (search google images right now!) a 38 year old former glamour model ran 2:54 in London today. Surely a professional athlete sub 4 miler could beat her in a marathon..??
Asbel Kiprop could probably run 2:20 for the marathon. He comes from a strong aerobic background, and is a former World Junior XC Champion.
You asked two seperate questions with the addition of mileage parameters. I think as the career extends, mileage comes up, this is very possible/ pratical.
Roger jones that I currently train with id this back in the day at a higher mileage. Sub-3:58 miler.Increased the long runs, ran a couple of 10,000's and finished Twin Cities in 2:20 low.
Off the top of my head I can also name:
Greg Whiteley has a 3:55 mile PR and became a pro tri-guy. In 1999 he finished an IM distance with a 3:09 marathon split.
Steve Bolt, T&F News high school runner of the year in 1973. 3:59 mile, 2:17 marathon PR's
Geb ran 8:01 for two miles...
