there is no reason to say the Boston times were wind aided.
The analysis of RC tells you otherwise.
there is no reason to say the Boston times were wind aided.
The analysis of RC tells you otherwise.
I'm sure that what Letsrun.com geeks think about his chances for the WR will be the determining factor on Sunday.
If he does break the CR or WR can we get a bet going that you will never post here again?
Cliff Clavin wrote:
I also must remind people (as it is clear from some posts that even this needs to be explained) that Mosop will need to win on Sunday to even have a shot at the course record...and there is no guarantee that Mosop will win.
HOLY SHIT! You are a true genius.
dumb ass
"Calvin", not only is your tone terribly annoying and juvenile...but your use...of...ellipses...is...inappropriate...slightly effeminate...and completely lameBut your huge ego is justified, i'm sure, because you're clearly very brilliant (sarcasm, calvin)And of course he has a chance; you don't understand odds/probability very well, do you?
Cliff Clavin wrote:
OK, feel free to disagree...my assertions have already been made. I do have a big ego...It's out of hand at times...Well, I must be patient and understand that not everybody has been as blessed...thanks for the reminder.
I think the strongest indicator of getting the world record on a record eligible course was the 30k he did at Pre. He looked great during that run. Had he not gotten injured, I think he could have at least been able to go 40k at that pace. I'd almost have to say running that far on a track results in a slower time than running on the roads.
the boston times were wind aided. yes they were. the question is how much. boston is NOT an easy course. its just not. theres a reason the CR was 2:07 when the WR was 2:04.
heres my take (and I ran boston 2011). the times from 2011 are 2-3 over what they would be ordinarily at boston. 2011 boston times are roughly equal to times that would have been run on berlin/rotterdam/frankfurt/london courses.
hes got maybe 20% chance sunday if the winds hold
quote]Cliff Clavin wrote:
There is no chance for Mosop to set the marathon wr on Sunday. Mosop has been overrated all along. Sure he is very good, but Canova promotes him at times as if he's the Second Coming. Mosop will be fortunate to break the course record of 2:04:27. IF it weren't for that tailwind in Boston, all this talk of Mosop setting world records would be laughed at by more than just the intelligent...[/quote]
Thank you for your opinion. We will see what happens.
It has already been arranged.
Mosop will be breaking the WR in a time of 2:59:40 - 2:59:50.
Place your bets.
Sincerely,
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bangalangadanga wrote:
...the 30k he did at Pre. ... I'd almost have to say running that far on a track results in a slower time than running on the roads.
Side note: I find it fascinating that something magical happens on a track between the 10k & 30k distances. For 10k, the track is much faster than the roads... but for 30k, it somehow becomes slower. So interesting.
Avocado's Number wrote:
runn wrote:I wish people would just drop the Boston crap. Boston was always considered a tough course- there are uphills and the downhills often mess people up.
If the IAAF didn't come up with those stupid restrictions no one would even think about it.
Watch the "Dual in the Sun" video- they talk about the WR, didn't Joan Benoit set a WR there? No one questioned it and she went on to run fater.
Boston times are legit.
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The only "strange notions" are those that question times at Boston.
This is silly. The performances at Boston last year were, of course, massively aided.
Although I'm less certain than the original poster seems to be about Mosop's chances of a WR at Rotterdam, I also find some of the assessments of Mosop's marathoning ability difficult to square with publicly available information. His PR at Chicago, although a course record, was only slightly faster than KK's performance in 1999, and only a little more than a minute and a half faster than Steve Jones's unrabbitted time in less-than-ideal conditions way back in 1985. And while people can debate what his Boston performance might be "equivalent" to on a record-quality course, it's hard to ignore that there was someone else who ran faster that day. As for his track times, it's hard to say what other top marathoners might run for that rarely-raced event, and his PRs at other track events are getting a bit old. His cross-country and road performances have often been impressive, but not clearly indicative of WR ability.
Mr. Canova obviously knows much more about Mosop's training and condition than most of the rest of us do, but I agree with the original poster that Mr. Canova does not seem entirely objective on the matter, as some of his comments about the aided Boston performance seemed to suggest. But who knows? Perhaps Mr. Canova has assessed Mosop's current condition exactly right.
Well put, Avocado's Number. The fact that Mosop was 1:52 ahead of Hall, while not unimpressive, does not indicate to me a runner who is obviously capable of setting a world record, especially when you factor into the equation that he had company (which probably helped him) and lost to that company. In Mosop's favor (possibly) is that Boston was his first marathon and that perhaps he was not at full strength at Chicago. Mosop is one of the top 10 marathoners in the world, but to anoint him as a marathon world record holder is not only premature but symptomatic of hyperbolic predilections.
I really hate people who wants to win discussions instead of share different thoughts with other people.
Cliff Clavin wrote:
poofpoof wrote:Big Engine will go break WR if wind is fair and pacers do job.
Oh, so NOW the wind matters...I see...
bunga bunga wrote:
I really hate people who wants to win discussions instead of share different thoughts with other people.
Cliff Clavin wrote:Oh, so NOW the wind matters...I see...
I understand, you want a dumbed-down society where every opinion, no matter how inane, is given equal credence, and where competitions have no winners or losers. This is a noble thought you have.
It took 5years to Haile after his first marathon in 2002 (london 2h06:35) to break Paul Tergat's WR in 2007.(With a 2h04:26).Haile's half marathon PR is 58:55 and that man does inspire a lot of runners.
Let's take a look at Patrick Makau. His pr is 58:52 which he ran in 2009 two months before his marathon debut (2h06:14 Rotterdam). He then broke the WR, which he still holds (2h03:38). Makau was a half marathon specialist and now has proved he is good at both half and full.
Wilson Kipsang has a half marathon best of 58:59 with one of the fastest debut (2h04:57 in Frankfurt), one year later, he missed the WR by only 4seconds! If the guy had started sprinting earlier, I think the record would be his...Wilson is a beast! He didn't get that many chances to go out and compete.
Moses Mosop:
3000m(2006)
7:36.88
5000m(2006)
12:54.06
10,000m
26:49.55
30000m (2011)
1:28:47 (current WR)
Half marathon ( a little bit weak but still impressive at 85% form after knee injury)
59:20 (milano)
The Big Engine is very good in cross country and has the fastest ever debut in marathon (2h03:06). He holds Chicago CR (2h05:37) not shabby for a guy who supposedly was at 85% form in Chicago and in his only second marathon!
With well structured training, the youngsters seem to get better at the distance real quick, they don't fear the distance as most athletes used to. It's not a matter of Mosop being able to break the WR. I think 2h03 is overrated for these guys, 2h02 or 2h01 is soon to be the standard! If you can run 2h03:06 with no watch on a course like Boston, wind or not for your first marathon ever, I hope you understand how talented is the Big Engine.
Moses Mosop should be on the Kenyan Olympic team for the 10k. Look at how those rookies flopped when the pressure was on last year.
Anecdotes aren't facts. Rules are in place for a reason, they're based on fact. Accept it.
USA_KIWI_KING wrote:
The OP is right. Mosop has no chance for setting any records on Sunday because the race is on Monday. Ha.
I thought that Boston is on Monday and Rotterdam tomorrow
14.557k is the magic # wrote:
bangalangadanga wrote:...the 30k he did at Pre. ... I'd almost have to say running that far on a track results in a slower time than running on the roads.
Side note: I find it fascinating that something magical happens on a track between the 10k & 30k distances. For 10k, the track is much faster than the roads... but for 30k, it somehow becomes slower. So interesting.
Nice note.
I remember having the same discussion with Coach Renato a year ago. Coach insisted that roads designed for auto traffic were faster than tracks designed for runners. It was funny at the time and it is still funny today.
Good to see that there are folks out there who have functioning brains.
Why is no-one acknowledging that the current high temp for Boston on Monday is 87 degrees? I know Wanjiru ran pretty fast in the 08 Olympics when it was close to (not even) that, but...world record? I don't think it's possible by default because of that temp.
master of the obvious wrote:
Why is no-one acknowledging that the current high temp for Boston on Monday is 87 degrees? .
Because Mosop isn't running Boston.
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Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
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