Cayla Hatton, High School Senior, Runs 33:17 10,000m Olympic Trials "B" Qualifier

Wossamotta wrote:

She goes to the prep school Pappy Bush, George W, and Jeb all attended.

As for her college choice, anyone who can get into Stanford would be silly to go to Oregon.

Why do you think this? The laws of science are the same at every school. And even if you're a rankings slave, Oregon is rated #1-#5 in the nation in several majors. So it really just depends on the major.

See page 54.

4. Performances achieved in mixed events between male and female participants, held completely in the stadium, will not be accepted (see IAAF Rule 147).

Great run, but she will have to repeat it in a women's only race to get an OLY Trials Q.

You read the section for the Olympic qualifying guidelines, not the Trials guidelines (previous 2 pages). Plus, here's the more up to date version for the Trials: http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/OlympicTrials-TF/entry/qualifyingStandards.asp.

In the know... wrote:

http://www.usatf.org/groups/Elite/guides/EliteAthleteHandbook.pdf

See page 54.

4. Performances achieved in mixed events between male and female participants, held completely in the stadium, will not be accepted (see IAAF Rule 147).

Great run, but she will have to repeat it in a women's only race to get an OLY Trials Q.

Agreed. Those are more up to date and I did quote the games rules, but that page that you linked to does not talk about mixed races and I know for a fact those marks aren't allowed as this was an issue last year for several young women trying to get into the 10,000 at USATF nationals. Not sure why they do not state this rule on the page you linked to, but it is USATF!

What does the NCAA say about high school athletes racing in collegiate meets, from an eligibility standpoint?

I don't think there's a problem with eligibility, since this was an open meet and she ran unattached. There were several club runners and other unattached runners in the meet.

Incidentally - last place in Beijing was 33:17 (29th).

Agreed. Those are more up to date and I did quote the games rules, but that page that you linked to does not talk about mixed races and I know for a fact those marks aren't allowed as this was an issue last year for several young women trying to get into the 10,000 at USATF nationals. Not sure why they do not state this rule on the page you linked to, but it is USATF![/quote]

Not sure about the 2011 Nationals, however, neither the rule book nor the Qualification Standards for the Trials describe any such prohibition on mixed-competition qualifying times:

http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/OlympicTrials-TF/entry/qualifyingStandards.asp

[quote]In the know... wrote:

Not even our president can offer up all those documents!

NCAA eligibility? wrote:

What does the NCAA say about high school athletes racing in collegiate meets, from an eligibility standpoint?

This is a strange question. Are you asking if she'll be eligible for the NCAA Championships this year, or are you asking if she broke an NCAA rule by competing as a high-schooler in an all-comers meet?

This is a strange comment. Are you saying that she belongs in the Olympics, she doesn't belong, or that it's funny that someone ran the same time in another race?

As long as you run unattached you may compete in the open division.

As a high school athlete you cannot run in a college event when there are also high school divisions (Mt. Sac, Penn Relays, Stanford) or you are disqualified from high school competition. No high school events you are free to compete.

In this girl's case her school is not a part of their State Sports federation thus does not compete in their State track meets. So she is free to compete as an open runner in any event that she likes.

Or so the rules say.

Not sure about the 2011 Nationals, however, neither the rule book nor the Qualification Standards for the Trials describe any such prohibition on mixed-competition qualifying times:

http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/OlympicTrials-TF/entry/qualifyingStandards.asp

So she's qualified for the US Olympic trials, but does she actually have the B standard? If the IAAF doesn't accept mixed gender results (stupid rule), then she would need another race to be able to run at the Olympcs.

Skeptic of it All wrote:

As long as you run unattached you may compete in the open division.

As a high school athlete you cannot run in a college event when there are also high school divisions (Mt. Sac, Penn Relays, Stanford) or you are disqualified from high school competition. No high school events you are free to compete.

In this girl's case her school is not a part of their State Sports federation thus does not compete in their State track meets. So she is free to compete as an open runner in any event that she likes.

Or so the rules say.

She and her team are not members of the public school assoc., she is still a HS kid and she and her school are members of the exclusive private school assoc., as far as the NCAA is concerned she is still a HS kid.

Anyone know of another 10k she can run in that has good female competitors prior to the trials? Some open invite somewhere in the country with similar talent as hers?

I was there with 4 GBTC runners in the 10,000. Conditions were ideal for most long distance runners. For Hatton the guys offered an even pace and company. There is no doubt the time and distance is real.

Runners had no heat stress and no wind. Hatton did not have to make pace decisions or worry about place as in a championship. But we can't say that the lack of personal competitive pressure that might be there in a title race helped or hurt her time. The weather certainly helped.

Tom

The Olympic B standard is 32:10. The OT A (32:45) isn't even under the Olympic B.

Azaleas wrote:

So she's qualified for the US Olympic trials, but does she actually have the B standard? If the IAAF doesn't accept mixed gender results (stupid rule), then she would need another race to be able to run at the Olympcs.

I wasn't there to watch, but can someone tell me why three of the four other girls in that same race ran huge PR's by 35-50 seconds. Im not saying something is fishy, but its odd that everyone set a personal best by a lot.

She ran some pretty good times in shorter distances in age group meets, obviously girls change over time, but I would suspect she is still a pretty good miler.