HEPS track and field--OUTDOOR 2012

In the PRELIMS??? Doesn't make much sense.

C/M Runner wrote:

D'Ag set a new meet record in the 1500 prelims, 4:19.93.

And McCullough reset the hammer record 236-8.

Crimson Tide wrote:

Let's face it, this may be the HEPS where Harvard finally puts its name on the map after so many disappointments these past few years. At the end of the first day's worth of events, they threaten to knock Cornell out of the box in the battle for second place.

Kudos to the Crimson men for their heroic showing today.

Dear Crimson Tide,

I hope you are a troll and feel you are most likely a Cornell hating Princetonian who is also trying to take a dig at Harvard. If not, you are exhibit #1 as to why there are so many negative stereotypes about Harvard people, particularly in the sense of you guys thinking you are better than you are in all walks of life.

There is no battle for 2nd place. There is a battle for 3rd place at Heps but Princeton & Cornell will battle it out for the title and will certainly double the score of the 3rd place time.

As for heroic Harvard showing, please tell me what you are talking about.

The NH in the PV by the favorite?

The failure to advance in the 1,500 by a 3:41 guy in Cotton.

MMmmmmmMMmmmm.... Tomorrow field events... Princeton men score maybe another 16 in the triple and 2 in shot, so that puts them around 59 from field events. Cornell *conservatively* scores 16 in shot, 16 in disc, 8 in triple, and 16 in high jump... putting them at upper 80's from field events. Cornell still rocks Princeton in field events in my opinion. There were some rough patches for both teams today, so I do agree that it might come down to the wire, but Cornell still dominates the field events.

suede-denim secret police wrote:

In the PRELIMS??? Doesn't make much sense.

C/M Runner wrote:

D'Ag set a new meet record in the 1500 prelims, 4:19.93.

And McCullough reset the hammer record 236-8.

She had Greta Feldman (Pr) in her heat as well who ran a 4:22, so no matter what, it was going to be a quick heat. But I guess she had a lot of energy.

Two more meet records:

Alexi Pappas - 9:58.80 in SC

D'Ag reset 1500 again - 4:17.90. Also, 1500 got a restart because D'Ag (I believe, or Arianna Vailas, teammate) fell just after start. There was a lot of pushing/shoving.

Both won their events.

PRINCETON MEN WIN!

suede-denim secret police wrote:

In the PRELIMS??? Doesn't make much sense.

C/M Runner wrote:

D'Ag set a new meet record in the 1500 prelims, 4:19.93.

It's part of what they were using this meet for: two days of hard running, to get ready for bigger meets.

So on Day I of Heps, she runs a blowout 1,500; Day II, runs faster in the 1,500 and wins the 3,000, though the time wasn't especially fast--and did she end up running a leg on the 4x800?

Yes, she and Pappas just sat back in the 3000 (both doubling back from impressive meet records) and then went in the final two laps (probably around 2:16 for last 800, 65 for last lap). Destroyed Banfich and the others in the last 800.

D'Agostino also split 2:07-2:08 on the 4x800 for second (brought team from fifth to first on the third leg).

Coogan basically had them doing a speed workout to get ready for Regionals, NCAAS and probably the Trials. I was impressed.

Seems like a lot but I feel Coogan has the chops to call it. If she continues to build she will be a crusher come NCAA's.

That was Cornell's meet to lose and they lost it. All credit to the Princeton squad but this one must particularly sting up in Ithaca.

Long Road to Ithaca wrote:

That was Cornell's meet to lose and they lost it. All credit to the Princeton squad but this one must particularly sting up in Ithaca.

Yeah, they were looking pretty good after Day I (though weren't where they wanted to be), but things just did not work out on Sunday: the sprint finals--all the individual flat races, really--did not nearly match their hopes. And though Mozia was a very bright spot (an unlooked-for 4th in the hammer, creditable 2d in disc, and dominating win in the shot, offsetting his indoor disappointment), their throwers overall were underwhelming.

It's not that Princeton pulled a rabbit out of a hat. They had performances that, for the most part, were about as expected (nice discus for McCullough, though); the Big Red just did not produce consistently. OTOH the fact they were in contention at all to win the meet, when taking a goose egg in every race longer than 800m, speaks well for their competitiveness.

Next year? Well, the Big Red graduate a goodly number of points, particularly including Hagberg and Huber, with no heirs apparent. Princeton graduates several distance stalwarts, but the rest (I believe) of their track-event scorers return. Harvard continues to impress; and with the level of talent H is able to bring in, many observers think the Cantabs will be the first team to break up the Cornell/Princeton hegemony.

On the women's side: Princeton had been coming on like gangbusters in recent weeks, so their challenge to Cornell was not surprising. What's interesting to me is that they had more event wins than Cornell, but did have twice as many non-scoring events (six to three); and Cornell often managed to get two scorers, in events they didn't win outright.

Princeton graduates Moran, who contributed to three event wins, but returns many scorers next year. Meanwhile, Brown had another solid meet and managed to outscore the stars of the lopsided Dartmouth squad. Columbia dropped off significantly from their inspiring indoor win: they still performed okay in the field, but took a lot of ofers on the track. Neer's absence obviously hurt.

Thanks to all. I see the thread was in good hands during my absence.

May I please reiterate that the scorings I provided were projections based on the TFRRS listings--"virtual" scores, and NOT my predictions?

Speaking personally, I never saw the men's meet as an easy Cornell win (though I'll admit I would have picked them, if I were a betting man): I thought any Big Red victory would be by a dozen points or fewer.

I *had* expected Cornell's women to win; but, like others, I had seen that a lot of their top performances in the speed events were wind-aided--and that Princeton was improving rapidly. (That dual-meet win over a *good* Penn squad, at Penn, was a pretty good clue.) It never figured to be a skip-the-relays kind of walkover.

Congrats to the Princeton men and Cornell women on their well-earned wins!

I hope no one is calling you out for how things were posted on TFRRS compared to how Heps turned out. There have been some nasty comments the last two Heps from comments on the website on how the commenter thinks we are anti-Princeton, whereas we just try to report things on the website as we see them.

Anywho... what's left? ECACs/IC4As, Regionals, and NCAAs for the college season?

C/M Runner wrote:

Anywho... what's left? ECACs/IC4As, Regionals, and NCAAs for the college season?

ECAC/IC4A is always a tossup outdoors, with so many teams facing finals. I know Cornell won those men's and women's titles indoors, but I'd bet they'll have a lot of people missing this weekend. OTOH the meet is a nice opportunity for kids who've hit the ECAC/IC4A standard but didn't get to compete at Heps--I'm sure there are dozens of Ivy athletes for whom that's true.

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Separate note: just a final shout-out to Melissa Hewitt, who finished a superb Heps career this past weekend. She was obviously hobbling (knee, I'm told) on Sunday and did not score, but she did make the 100 final and has been a great advertisement for the Heps (and the Ivy League in general) during her Cornell career.

In fact, a *bunch* of all-time greats finished their Heps careers this weekend. All best wishes to them for future success!

Just got a look at a (partial) list of Penn's recruits--yikes:

http://dyestat.rise.espn.go.com/collegepicks.jsp?seasonyear=2012&sort=colleges&colID=7445

Third-fastest 1,600 in that short list is sub-4:15--top time is sub-4:08; third-fastest 3,200 (only one guy the same) is 9:20.xx.

I understand that college coaches are allowed to post such a list only once, and that most coaches hold off until later--so these may be just the kids who gave their info direcctly to DyeStat. Even if these data *did* come from the coaching staff, it looks like Penn will have some real distance and (especially) middle-distance material to work with in coming years...

Meant to add:

Has anybody else been having trouble getting HepsTrack? For much of the past several days, I'm either gotten "IE cannot display" or else a warning from my malware filter.

I'm impressed wrote:

Meant to add:

Has anybody else been having trouble getting HepsTrack? For much of the past several days, I'm either gotten "IE cannot display" or else a warning from my malware filter.

I've been able to see it just fine... odd. Another person about a month ago commented on how there having issues as well (check a few pages earlier in this thread). Brett said he ran some diagnostic tests on the website and everything had seemed fine then...

Hey everyone: a guide to the 2012 NCAA Championships is up on HepsTrack, including profiles on all of the Ivy qualifiers and all-time performances at NCAAs. Enjoy.

http://hepstrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/final-2012-heps-ncaa-4.pdf