Can Kszczot threaten 1:41.01?

You are very wrong. Anyone can always win. But its not likely that the guy with 2-3 second pb slower than the best have equal chance to winning as them. The PR does not go straight out the window. Sigh.

I just thought I should point out that Kipketer ran 1:42.67 indoor the year he ran 1:41.11 outdoor.

Reality Bath wrote:

Go to the back of the class:

Wilson Kipketer = 1.72 meters = 5'7 3/4 "

Ksz is taller than both Coe and Kipketer.

I don't care what's listed, I have stood next to Kipketer and would guess he is close 6 feet. I suspect Coe was about 5'10", but he was all legs. With that said, I don't think you need to be tall to run fast, in general, people who are bigger than average tend to be the ones who gravitate towards athletics.

One instance does not a rule make, young padawan.

I have stood next to both Kipketer and Coe.

Kipketer is 6'0 and Coe is 5'9.

Simon Ripsnitch wrote:So it's hilarious that you call someone an idiot when obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. In an Olympic final when the pace is off ANYONE can win and who has the fastest PR goes straight out the window.

kip was a shadow of his wr shape in '00, with a 1'43.3 best that year ( he'd had malaria/injuries ) & only finished 3rd that day !!!

( beaten narrowly by said-guerni/bucher )

the kip of '97 couda run close to 1'42-solo, so i doubt losing a 1'44+ showed his peak form

I know Lewandowski better than Kszczot. During winter camp in Kenya he runs about 140km, but with Sundays off or just 10km easy. After that he rest a little bit in Poland with much less mileage (during Chistmas and New Year). Than usally go for the next camp. He was in New Mexico once, but usally it is in RPA. The mileage in the summer is much lower, say - under 100km, sometimes only 50-60km. It depends on the competition. Often he goes for the next camp between races.

In Poland our outdoo season is often divided into 2 parts: first one is May and June, second August and September. July is kind of break. So in this time Lewandowski goes for the next camp and is "back" to winter training with higher mileage. We call it "loading".

Adam Kszczot has similar preparations, but with much less mileage. He is more 400/800m type, but sometimes, during the camps, runs about 120km a week.

Weight training is very important in Poland. 800m runners do a lot of dynamic exercises like jumping with weights. Very difficult weight training was also in the program of our third great guy - Pawel Czapiewski. He was thin, but you can't believe, how strong he was. But it has lead to his foot injury.

All of them - Kszczot, Lewandowski and Czapiewski - have different coaches and live in different cities. You may find it interesting ; )

Track coach is right. I met Kipketeer and he is about my size - 187cm. What is interesting, that Kipketer also had a polish coach - Slawomir Nowak. This guy is more sprint and decathlon coach.

Nowak tried 800m training with other runners, but without success. So it may be that Kipketer's aerobic training from Kenya, mixed with Nowak's sprint and weight training produced his records.

[800 runners usually find their best years at 23-25. After that its just trying to hold on.

The reason may be testosterone peaks at that age, and the body just finishes growing (legs, arms, lungs).}

Testosterone? I’m not so sure about that.

At age 24 he was running 1:45.40

2006 PR 1:43.68 Age 30 2011 Age 35 1:44.03

It is not inconceivable that he could run 1:43.60 in 2012 age 36 and set a new PR. Not likely but remotely possible.

Referencing Khadevis of course.

Khadevis probably never hit his best time probably due to training.

Khadevis should have been in the 1:42's and probably the AR holder.

That said he is an outlier. Virtually all elite 800 runners hit their best time in their early or mid 20's, and decline significantly after that. A smaller more distance oriented 800 runner may have greater success over a longer period, but generally the event favors tall men in their early to mid 20's.

Contrast this with the mile, or 10k, or marathon. Even in the 100 and 400 there are fast men in their late 20's in significant numbers, but not the 800.

The 400 and 800 are the toughest events on the track, the 800 the most physically, and the 400 the most mentally. Both tax every system in the body to the extreme and require huge amounts of specific training and specialization combined with both aspects of endurance and speed training. Probably another reason why the events favor tall athletes.

The most extreme event for age is the 110h, almost every guy there is older than 24.

err...

gray was 28 in '88 & ran 1'42.6 with what was virtually a solo effort, with wabbit offering him nothing in drafting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAcpMcUR-1M

that couda been a ~ 1'42-flat effort with pacer from 150 - 400 ( you notice how he crushed cram )

the 800 longevity simply depends upon avoiding injury/illness - gray managed it & borza did to with a 1'42.7 aged 27y & muladzi with a 1'42.8pb just 2/7 shy of 29y

Thanks. Interesting indeed. Be good to see Lewandowski come back strong in 2012 (along with Mike Rimmer, maybe).

I tend to agree- avoid injury. Gray was barely a second slower than his age 28 PR 8 years later!

Kiptoo was fast in his mid 30's as well age 29 when he PR'd 1:43.38 and 1:44.6(Iaaf bio) Age 35 or close to it.

Patrick Konchellah PR age 32 1:42.98 Born in in 65?

http://www.mastersathletics.net/fileadmin/html/Rankings/All_Time/800metresmen.htm

Nick Symmonds will be good for four more years at least he doesn't seem to get injured very often.

Johnny Gray was black!! wow I had never seen him race or even seen a picture. For years I've assumed he was a white guy.

You learn something new every day.

Skate wrote:Patrick Konchellah PR age 32 1:42.98 Born in in 65?

good pick up

aged 29y on other lists

more remarkable maybe been his bro, big billy, won gold at 25y, 29y & almost sneaked a 3rd at 31y !

And Rudisha is certainly not invincible????? Are you serious?? ?When was the last time he lost an 800 you dingaling??

whodat!!!! wrote:

And Rudisha is certainly not invincible????? Are you serious?? ?When was the last time he lost an 800 you dingaling??

September 18, 2011.

First, learn to use the quote function, you moron. Your post was such a mess I could barely be bothered to read it. And I'm sorry that I wasted my time.

"ANYONE" can win? "The fastest PR goes straight out the window"?

Of course there are examples like the one you conveniently provided. There are also many more examples of the opposite happening, which you conveniently ignore.

Think of it this way, you idiot. Maybe this will make it easy for you. You're going to run an 800. The race is going to go through 600 at your PR pace. Does it make a difference to the likely result if the guy on your shoulder has the same PR or one THREE SECONDS FASTER? Think, little brain, think...

I'm not saying the slower man can't win, so don't mess that up yet again. Read. Read. I'm saying the slower man is much less likely to win. Funny thing is that I have results on my side.

First, learn to use the quote function, you moron. Your post was such a mess I could barely be bothered to read it. And I'm sorry that I wasted my time.

"ANYONE" can win? "The fastest PR goes straight out the window"?

Of COURSE there are examples like the one you conveniently provided. This is the 800. We know that. There are also many more examples of the opposite happening, which you conveniently ignore. With a three-second gap between PRs, the fastest very, very, often wins.

Think of it this way, you idiot. Maybe this will make it easy for you. You're going to run an 800. The race is going to go through 600 at your PR pace. Does it make a difference to the likely result if the guy on your shoulder has the same PR or a PR THREE SECONDS FASTER? Think, little brain, think...

I'm not saying the slower man CAN'T win, EVER, so don't mess that up yet again. Read. Read. Read. I'm saying the slower man is much LESS LIKELY to win. Funny thing is that I have results on my side.