Big Ten Indoors

Nebraska

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Ohio State

Penn State

Indiana

Purdue

Michigan

Michigan State

Iowa

going around wrote:

Nebraska

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Ohio State

Penn State

Indiana

Purdue

Michigan

Michigan State

Iowa

That looks pretty good based on what's happened so far. There's a big gap between Nebraska and the next five, which could finish in any order, and then a big gap to the last four.

There are still some wild cards. Hartfield from Ohio State hasn't competed yet. Hurt? Red-shirting? He scored 18 last year in the LJ/TJ. What's up with Blankenship?

Also does anybody know if this is the first year that the men and women have been at the same place?

1st year the meet is combined.

Blankenship is perfectly healthy.

Predictions look right on, and there is a huge drop-off after 1st 5 teams. I only put Nebraska at top because they're at home.

5 teams are ranked between 100 and 110 points.

Big 10 is in for rude awakening with Nebraska. They will win by 20 points. Rest of conference needs to wake up and recognize big time college track programs!

Badgers have yet to debut all their weapons. The age-old argument about will Indiana and Wisconsin and who will score 60 points in the distance area? Wisconsin has simply zero sprint points and you can't win without any points under 800.

Watch out for Blankenship, Mead, and their 2 800 guys, they'll combine for 60 for sure! Hate to say it but gophers will win before Nebraska wins the next 10!

Go badgerss wrote:

Badgers have yet to debut all their weapons. The age-old argument about will Indiana and Wisconsin and who will score 60 points in the distance area? Wisconsin has simply zero sprint points and you can't win without any points under 800.

Watch out for Blankenship, Mead, and their 2 800 guys, they'll combine for 60 for sure! Hate to say it but gophers will win before Nebraska wins the next 10!

Outdoors, maybe, but indoors, there is only the 60 and the 200 and Wisconsin have a couple of guys in that event, including winning last weekend at Nebraska, if I recall correctly.

Also, Indiana has some studs that might be overlooked, like a 7'6"+ HJer that can score in other events as well. Look where they finished at NCAAs indoors last year.

The 600 and 800 will have some pretty hard competition and the races will not necessarily be won by the guys that are running top marks in races on fast (and oversized) ovals in time-oriented races. Penn State will split many of those 600/800 points and other guys around the league are not out of the running.

Are the top Badger distance guys going to race indoors or are they just training through? Nothing yet from Darling or Ahmed, and they're not on the heat sheets at Washington. Krause raced last weekend but isn't fast enough to do damage in a 5K. Collins and Connor both ran very mediocre.

blahblahblahh wrote:

Are the top Badger distance guys going to race indoors or are they just training through? Nothing yet from Darling or Ahmed, and they're not on the heat sheets at Washington. Krause raced last weekend but isn't fast enough to do damage in a 5K. Collins and Connor both ran very mediocre.

All of the Badgers except Shields, Krause and Ahmed are entered at Tyson this weekend. I have no inside info. My guess is that Shields is hurt and Ahmed won't be running indoors. We'll know after this weekend whether Collins and Connor ran mediocre or exactly how they wanted while getting beaten by Erschen and Brill.

Krause is entered in US cross, I wouldn't be surprised if Ahmed was doing it for Canada

Wisconsin always says they're not focued on indoors, but their HEAD coach certainly is and even back with guys that should've made some serious noise at NCAA's, they were all whored out as much (if not more) than any other schools.

Every Badger distance runner that can help and that isn't hurt, will be in Nebraska trying to win a Big 10 team title. Even Jerry knew what was expected; I certainly expect Mick to understand as well.

Case in point is Mudd being activated!'

And Wisconsin has absolutely no sprints (60, 200, 400, 60 hurdles; nobody ranked inside thwe top 10 in conference!)

Really? Iowa last? How do they go from champs last outdoor season to last during indoors? I don't believe it!

You dont know what you are talking about. Blank is out for at least another 3 months.

I just did a quick skim over the TFRRS Big Ten listings. Michigan State scores 27 points in the weight throw alone and 45 total. Iowa tallies 49 points. No way those are last place scores in the meet. My money is on Purdue for the bottom with about 12 points. Michigan scores 25. Granted, the results won't go as they are listed on Big Ten descending order list, but will probably be close enough.

Indiana has one sprinter. I also have not seen Drouin, the 7'6 High Jumper. I am going to bet he is redshirting.

For Wisconsin to have a good meet they need the distance guys to step up and the key will be the multi guy Cato. He already has the NCAA auto and is good enough to score in other events besides the Hept. I guess a lot depends on his health and whether or not the coaches let him play track and field for a weekend.

In the scoring spots at the moment minus distance and relays here is what Indiana and Wisconsin have.

60 - 1 In

200 - 1 In

400 - 0

60HH - 1 Wis

HJ - 1 Wis

PV - 2 Wis

LJ - 2 Wis

Hep - 2 Wis

WT - 0

SP - 1 Wis

TJ - 1 In

I will let you boys argue about the distance events.

badger hates wrote:

And Wisconsin has absolutely no sprints (60, 200, 400, 60 hurdles; nobody ranked inside the top 10 in conference!)

Really, then why is Hammon (21.65/48.02)in both and Cato in the hurdles (8.00)? Also, some of those tracks that teams like Penn State have been racing on give very fast marks and can be a bit misleading compared to marks made in other venues at this point in the season.

26mi235 wrote:

badger hates wrote:

And Wisconsin has absolutely no sprints (60, 200, 400, 60 hurdles; nobody ranked inside the top 10 in conference!)

Really, then why is Hammon (21.65/48.02)in both and Cato in the hurdles (8.00)? Also, some of those tracks that teams like Penn State have been racing on give very fast marks and can be a bit misleading compared to marks made in other venues at this point in the season.

Actually Hammon is not in the top 10 in either the 2 or the 4. Again Wisconsin has no one ranked in a scoring position in the 60/200/400 at the moment. Cato is ranked in the 60HH

He is here [http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/rankings/div1/2012-itf/NCAAD1_2012_indWk3_TF_RegionalIndexByTeam.pdf], is your data more up to date or less? There are some slight holes due to different regions with different top-10 qualities in some events, but otherwise, those two both are (and looking at the data indicates that 0.02 seconds change rankings). Also, the OT marks are biased and not corrected (I do not think) although the flat 200 tracks seem to have adjusted marks.

old coach man wrote:

26mi235 wrote:

Really, then why is Hammon (21.65/48.02)in both and Cato in the hurdles (8.00)? Also, some of those tracks that teams like Penn State have been racing on give very fast marks and can be a bit misleading compared to marks made in other venues at this point in the season.

Actually Hammon is not in the top 10 in either the 2 or the 4. Again Wisconsin has no one ranked in a scoring position in the 60/200/400 at the moment. Cato is ranked in the 60HH

26mi235 -- here is the descending order list that many of us are using. It does give the bump for 200 flat tracks.

http://www.directathletics.com/lists/track/65_785.html

Thanks for the link, it is simpler than culling the data across regions in the ustfccca.org site.

The differences are so small that the differences in tracks (Penn States is probably the fastest of these) make marks within 1% of little real import.