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Previous posts on this thread note some of my more memorable experiences with Coach Igloi. I also wrote "Mihaly Igloi Revisited," published in Track and Field Quarterly Review, summer 1989 (volume 89, number 2). Two previous posts note my competitive experience with Coach Lazlo Tabori, and Coach Joe Douglas.
Fun to reminisce. Also found a few links of past results I had no idea were out there. Thanks troll; but enough food for the trolls.
Igy -
I know how to spell my coaches' names.
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C above wrote:
I know how to spell my coaches' names.
Good for you. You can spell but can't run. Bad for the coach. -
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
http://www.mastershistory.org/history/history/SFVTC_04%201976.pdf
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Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Another giver of +1 wrote:
ancient runner wrote:
It is impossible to give a picture of an average Igloi training plan.He has over 40,000 different ones.However I watched some of Igloi's students at Santa Monica College track in action and left wondering how the human body can stand it.
A normal workout lasts about three hours and starts with a 5 mile wamup run, followed by 15 long accelerations with jog back recoveries before the real work begins. At 13-year old girl, for example, performed after the warmup 4 series of 6*400m. with 200m. recovery jogs, and 10 fast 100m. sprints between each series.She covered in one workout over 13 miles.One of the male athlete followed the same warmup with five series of 12*400m. with 200m. recovery jogs.Between each series , he executed one rather brisk 1200m. run. He covered about 28 miles during this session and in addition 1.1/2-2 hours in the morning every day of the week. A 30-hour week is regarded as normal.
When I read this I wonder what became of that 13-year-old girl. Did she win races? How long did she stay in the sport? Is she still running?
I thought one of Igloi's training principles was that of not having hard and easy days but rather having the athlete being able to train again with a similar effort day after day? How many elite runners these days spend 30 hours a week training?
Here is Maria's results from 1970, by that time probably closer to 16 years old. Ran a 4:30 1500m:
http://trackfield.brinkster.net/USATournaments.asp?TourCode=N&Year=1970&Gender=W&TF=T&P=F&By=Y&Count=
Thanks Igy. Interesting to see Francie Larrieu (4:20.8) and Cheryl Bridges (4:32.5) in that race. 4:30.0 for Maria at 16 is a good time but there are many girls running such times these days off less 'extreme' training. She must have been tired all the time! 4 sets of 6 x 400m with 10 x 100m between sets after a 5 mile warm up! And then doing similar training the next day, and the next.
I wonder if she would have done as well off less volume - say 2 x 3 x 400m and a 3 mile warm up, or the shorter intervals of Schul? Maybe she would have stayed longer in the sport? When a runner is doing maximal training (I would say too much training) at a young age to achieve a certain amount of success they'd be thinking 'I have no where else to go' if I'm to improve from 4:30 to 4:00.
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I would agree that is a lot of running at a young age. Of course even so many decades later you see some of the same mistakes.
Igy -
He could have taken Seb down when Seb was in Primary.
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Me neither. Strange names on this site that I never heard of. 🤔
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I am not going to read all 19 pages but what is lacking here is the fact that Igloi conferred with other great coaches such as Lydiard and Cerutti. His runners did regular long runs nearly every morning as well.
Igloi/Schul is still practiced today but in different forms thatn what the original coach did.
Johnny Gray and Khadevis Robinson won about 16 US Championships in the 800 using this method. But you must make adjustments for someone running a longer distance. -
Inquiry minds want to know wrote:
Me neither. Strange names on this site that I never heard of. 🤔
Peter Coe Knows wrote:
Who is Reid Harter ? I've never heard of him.
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I only had the privilege of running with the Santa Monica Track Club a few times, when I was in my 2nd year at ASU. Had a friend , son of the track promoter back in the 70's, we drove to LA during spring break and ran with the team once or twice that week. Joe was there and there was a distance guy running in the grass for a long run. But It was an intimidating, interesting experience. Two former ASU guys, Lawson and Rafferty, I believe ran for SMTC long after the Igloi era.
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I also remember Rafferty doing Igloi type workouts on the ASU track a lot.
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eric by wrote:
Canada is 15 pounds lighter wrote:
Varied Ints wrote:
Tabori has a running store in Burbank, CA. He also coaches runners a couple of days a week. If you drop by his store, he'll tell you all you need to know. Very cool guy. The license plate on one of his cars reads "355IN59".
What does that mean?
It means that Tabori ran a mile in 3:55 in 1959.
By the way, is Tabori still coaching?
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portsea7 wrote:
eric by wrote:
Canada is 15 pounds lighter wrote:
Varied Ints wrote:
Tabori has a running store in Burbank, CA. He also coaches runners a couple of days a week. If you drop by his store, he'll tell you all you need to know. Very cool guy. The license plate on one of his cars reads "355IN59".
What does that mean?
It means that Tabori ran a mile in 3:55 in 1959.
By the way, is Tabori still coaching?
Tabori didn't run 3min 55 sec in 1959... or at any other time.
Perhaps the plate read 359IN55. -
Anonymous by choice again wrote:
I am not going to read all 19 pages but what is lacking here is the fact that Igloi conferred with other great coaches such as Lydiard and Cerutti. His runners did regular long runs nearly every morning as well.
Igloi/Schul is still practiced today but in different forms thatn what the original coach did.
Johnny Gray and Khadevis Robinson won about 16 US Championships in the 800 using this method. But you must make adjustments for someone running a longer distance.
Igloi's runners DID NOT "do regular long runs every morning." -
Yokohama wrote:
I only had the privilege of running with the Santa Monica Track Club a few times, when I was in my 2nd year at ASU. Had a friend , son of the track promoter back in the 70's, we drove to LA during spring break and ran with the team once or twice that week. Joe was there and there was a distance guy running in the grass for a long run. But It was an intimidating, interesting experience. Two former ASU guys, Lawson and Rafferty, I believe ran for SMTC long after the Igloi era.
"Intimidating" is a good word for how I felt about what I read Igloi's people did. I had nothing but respect for people who did it but I was really glad that Lydiard had come along. -
Internationally, Igloi's runners would have peaked at the 1956 Olympics - but politcs, in the shape of the Russian invasion of Hungary, intervened. Some of his great athletes never arrived in Melbourne, all of them ran well below their best. British great Gordon Pirie says in his autobiography that Kuts could have been beaten by one of them (forget which one, sorry).
If this had happened Igloi's reputation would stand considerably higher today than it does. This despite the fact that he produced world class runners in two very different countries with totally different cultures.
Also, the lack of any published work by Igloi has hurt his legacy, compared to, say, his contemporaries Stamphl, Cerutty and Lydiard who all left books still widely read today.
