Do you think ghost exist? Why or why not?

Two things:

1. Could you have dreamed this?

2. Were any windows open? I was alone at home this summer (wife was out of town) and I had the bathroom window open when I went to bed. The pressure differential (?) in the house caused the bathroom door to slam shut very hard and I just about had a heart attack.

I've never seen one, but at my apartment one time I was playing apples to apples with some friends when the faucet in the bathroom turned on full blast. Everyone in the apartment was in the kitchen. Nothing strange had happened to me before or since then, but that's my story.

ghost busters wrote:

"This defies everything we've ever known about science"

I guess you can take some comfort then in knowing we still have new dimensions to learn about.

My brother and his wife lived in a house that was haunted by a ghost. They both saw if frequently. None of the kid's friends would come to the house because it appeared one night when some friends were there and scared the crap out of them.

this is not true and you know it

Of course ghosts exist. 1 Samuel 28 records the confrontation of King Saul with the ghost of the Samuel.

lol

I have never seen Socrates. Science has failed to produce experiments demonstrating that Socrates existed. Therefore, Socrates did not exist.

Whats funny is that most people say no they don't exist and go on to say "get us evidence, get ghosts on camera, blah blah blah" The skeptics will continue to be skeptics until they see a ghost or experience something paranormal themselves. As a paranormal researcher here is my 2 cents:

1)There are plenty of people out there that get evidence. EVPs, pictures, videos, etc. There are those few idiots who fake the evidence and ruin it for all the believers out there. EVPs are the easiest evidence to capture.

2)Stop saying "there are 7 billion people on the planet, someone should be able to get a video of a ghost." Do you know any theories of spirits or paranormal activities? They use electric devices and energy fields to show themselves. We have had plenty of camera malfunctions because they drain the battery or use the camera to show itself.

3) Finally, saying it goes against EVERYTHING WE'VE EVER KNOWN is not entirely true. Quantum physics is a very real science and it can explain life after death in terms of spirits, residual energy, etc.

Do I expect you to believe this? No. However I'm writing this for all the believers on this board that are looking for support. The skeptics can bash me, my fellow believers, or anyone they want. The fact of the matter is that people will insult, bash, tear apart, disown, and discard anything they do not know. People fear what they don't understand. For us that believe, continue to believe and don't worry what they say to you, they're just scared. Until skeptics can give me evidence that what I experienced was fake and ghosts CAN NOT exist, then don't even bother arguing.

dsadsa wrote:

I have never seen Socrates. Science has failed to produce experiments demonstrating that Socrates existed. Therefore, Socrates did not exist.

No one is saying that Jesus never existed, but they are saying that he was not the son of god

"Quantum physics is a very real science and it can explain life after death in terms of spirits, residual energy, etc"

Source? I will wager I know a lot more than you about Quantum physics and I don't recall anything about it explaining life after death. I await your proof with interest.

No. The scientists say it can't happen. Therefore, it can't happen. Who can argue with these unbiased, totally honest and impartial harbingers of truth.

some other handle to post with wrote:

No. The scientists say it can't happen. Therefore, it can't happen. Who can argue with these unbiased, totally honest and impartial harbingers of truth.

Not scientists, science.

I did not invoke the Socrates analogy as a comparison to Jesus.

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Again, I have not seen SOCRATES. Science has not produced empirical experiments proving SOCRATES' existence. Therefore, SOCRATES did not exist. Why should I believe in SOCRATES just because some people in the past saw SOCRATES or know others who saw or knew of SOCRATES?

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Substitute SOCRATES with GHOSTS in the above paragraph...

There are other ways to obtain knowledge than strict, dogmatic empiricism. Our senses are often wrong--thus our experiments and even whole scientific tenants can be wrong.

If you were to try to explain relativity to Newton (IMO the most intelligent man to ever live), he would have scoffed at you.

Science has been wrong in the past. Just because empirical science has no proof for ghosts now, in 2011, does not mean they do not exist or experiments in the centuries to come will not confirm them not as supernatural beings but as some physical manifestation.

People need to keep an open mind and realize that your tiny mass of brain tissue cannot, even if given a million years, grasp all their is to know concerning nature.

When the great physicists first started discovering the quantum world, they were (and still are to some extent) baffled. The whole world was turned on its head: matter and energy are one, space-time is one, all matter-energy was once one and thus is forever entangled (thus connected somehow), wave-particle duality, wave function collapse, etc.

Things exist only as a superposition of possible states/locations until observed, when they collapse into the one of the infinite possible states/locations that we see. That which is behind you, then, is only a garbled cloud of potentiality until you turn your head, when it snaps into existence.

But really it is still a mess. Not only animate objects like humans and presumably other sensing organisms can cause wave function collapse, but measuring instruments can as well, so we are not yet sure exactly what level of observation is needed to cause our reality to look as we see it.

asdf2345 wrote:

some other handle to post with wrote:

No. The scientists say it can't happen. Therefore, it can't happen. Who can argue with these unbiased, totally honest and impartial harbingers of truth.

Not scientists, science.

Only scientists can interpret science the same way only theologians can interpret theology. Why would anyone else even be pertinent?

dsadsa wrote:

People need to...realize that your tiny mass of brain tissue cannot...grasp all their is to know concerning nature.

Their is this ^ for example.

Has to be said wrote:

bible reader wrote:

Yes, I think it was impressive how I got you to read the bible.

In other news, the bible says man was created a vegetarian.

Get back to me on that one.

Sorry. Didn't realize you were retarded. Honest mistake.

All the best.

next time you think you're right, consider that you're not, and that I am.

It'll save you a lot of time.

'There is not enough water on the earth for a word wide flood covering all the land. There are too many animals to collect on one boat. '

What about 2 boats or maybe a ship?

bible reader wrote:

next time you think you're right, consider that you're not, and that I am.

It'll save you a lot of time.

Yes, I would put you right up there with all of Noah's daughters in terms of intelligence, knowledge and integrity.

Has to be said wrote:

bible reader wrote:

next time you think you're right, consider that you're not, and that I am.

It'll save you a lot of time.

Yes, I would put you right up there with all of Noah's daughters in terms of intelligence, knowledge and integrity.

Your inability to actually address what is written is captivating.

Anyway, I digress as I'm not a fictional character in a myth.

Your persona, however....