NCAA scoring by HS state

Go Indiana.

i think you forgot to count WA (washington)

last high school state meet results are from '06 wisconsin state meet for bosshard, did not run in 2007 CO state. Plus he ran at 2007 FL Midwest regional. He's a RS JR, so he is Class of '08. I would say he belongs to WI. If you remove him from CO score

Colorado - 273

I can give you that. Crested Butte Academy is a charter school, and can not compete in CHSAA events (state meet).

Either way, thats still 11 CO preps in the meet. Third amongst the 50 states. Not bad for a small state.

[quote]Wellllllll wrote:

But Kenya and Canada are countries, it is like comparing Seattle to Michigan.

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Not quite! Kenya has a population of about 41,000,000, California is only slightly smaller ar 37,250,000 while Texas has about 25,000,000. From a geographical size perspective Texas is about 20% bigger than Kenya and California is somewhat smaller. And if you wanted to discuss the economies, both California and Texas would dwarf that of Kenya. For all intents and purposes when compared around the world to countries, Texas and California are basically countries within a country.

Somehow I did miss Washington. Sorry about that.

I also moved Bosshard to Wisconsin.

here are the updated results

kenya 47

UT 163

CA 198

uk 199

TX 234

CO 273

IN 296

NY 358

PA 396

WA 402

IL 422

VA 444

canada 461

NC 519

MN 538

AZ 543

MI 553

OH 577

NJ 659

GA 787

FL 938

NM 995

That's ok, if you think Kenya and Canada are states, which was clearly the topic of this thread, it makes sense you wouldn't know what an actual state was.

[quote]Doof wrote:

That's ok, if you think Kenya and Canada are states, which was clearly the topic of this thread, it makes sense you wouldn't know what an actual state was.[quote]

Do you know what the "state" department does? Have you ever heard the phrase "head of state"?

You're welcome!

Yeah, you should just leave out Batty and Shields, because they took two years away from competitive running to pay their own way as volunteer church missionaries, return to the states chubby and slow, then come back to become competitive with the best runners in the nation. Yeah...trouble with leaving out Batty and Shields is that other runners from other churches representing other schools can do the same.

I have no problem with what Batty, Shields, and all the other Mormons are doing. You're right, other runners from other churches can do the same. But there aren't any other runners from other churches that are 25 in this meet, so there is no one else to take out. But I still find it hard to beleive that someone "paying their own way" can afford to get chubby, after visiting the BYU campus, I learned most come back underweight (football players mainly), and someone who loves the sport of XC/T&F as much as DI athletes, not run a day. But regardless if they didn't run at all, older guys can put more on their bodies without getting hurt as oppose to 18 yr old freshman. I also feel that a true representation of the performance HS graduates must come from HS grads who are all from the same era ('07-'11 in this case). We're comparing Lutz to Batty, '05 to '11. The Utah team includes four mormons, none of which were HS All-Americans or amazing standouts like Puskedra. So why are they all doing so well? YOu could give some credit to coaching, 3 come from BYU, but where are all the non-mormon UT grads. I have no issue with what the Mormons are aloud to do. It is totally fine, thats their religon. But unlike football, or basketball, a mission does not hinder a running career. Just not buying that.

categorically wrote:

Do you know what the "state" department does? Have you ever heard the phrase "head of state"?

You're welcome!

If you believed your own faulty logic, you would have a score for the US. But you don't because you don't and are just equivocating to try to save face. How letsrun of of you.

Oh, BTW in the case of your logic the lowest score a state was 15 by the first five runners who were all in a state of fatigue. Idiot.

Of course Canada has their own college system, so doesn't send too many to the NCAA.

I get your point, you want to compare strictly by 5 year age increments. I'm cool with that. You could omit some 26 year old Kenyans if you knew who they were? ;)

You ask "why they are doing so well?" To answer, I watched some great runners come back after missions and I'd say there is an advantage, but its not at all physical. Two years/0-30 miles total, (vs. 2 years/7200-9000 miles total) makes for a long, painful and dangerous comeback at first.

But the maturity gain also makes them humble, hard-working and patient enough to be very coachable. Add good coaching to the mix and you can explain the success.

I saw 6,8 even 12 months for some just to get back to where they were before they left. Lots of injuries and LOTS of time cross training.

Only took me 4, but that's cause I was fat and slow before I left. :)

An anonymous description of Henry Marsh 6 months off his mission:

"He wasn't worth the bullet to shoot him." (said with a smile, of course)

For Girls:

California

Hasay 2

Maier 11

Reilly 24

Bergman 26

Babcock 62 = 125

Kenya

Saina 9

Tuliamuk 12

Kimaiyo 25

Tanui 35

Kosgei 27 = 118

26mi235 wrote:

Bosshard was a world champion logroller for the 6 and under division.

http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3960&SPID=260&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID=1574630&Q_SEASON=2011

Respect.

"You could omit some 26 year old Kenyans if you knew who they were? ;)", I did omit all Africans and all Europeans, and all of the other foreigners. Please go back and look at my list, the one you commented on. It only includes American HS Grads from '07 to '11.

I totally agree with the humbleness and hardworking attitude that you say those guys comeback with. That makes total sense, and the coaching staff at BYU has done a phenominal job. But even if it takes 12 months for those guys to get back in shape and get over injuries, I think a 22 year old sophmore is going to improve faster and better than a 19 year old sophmore. And I'm sure the BYU coaches aren't rushing their mormons back into shape. Injuries do happen, but I think all the reasons you mentioned, and the added age make for a better runner. They have more mature bodies. I'm still asking "where are all the non-mormon UT grads". I just don't think you can compare these guys to the others, the circumstances are just too different, and BYU has consistenly done really well with average recruits.

Wow, thats impressive!

sgh wrote:

Colorado:

8 (medina)

24 (Bosshard)

53 (williams)

55 (Berberick)

99 (Fauble)

= 239

Don't forget Alex Lundy from Georgetown (he ran at Heritage H.S. in Littleton, then ran at Maryland, now is a grad student at G town). Lundy finished 61st on Monday. So that now makes Colorado's score 201.