Is Berlin really 67.4" faster than Frankfurt? Probably not. It's just that Berlin has more appearance fees and prize and incentive money so the faster runners tend to go to Berlin.
Is Berlin really 67.4" faster than Frankfurt? Probably not. It's just that Berlin has more appearance fees and prize and incentive money so the faster runners tend to go to Berlin.
+1
ventolin^3 wrote:
eh ?
learn something
1) he's facing a guy who went 2"03'02
wind or no wind that day, that told manny he was facing an absolute beast & high-2"04 ( a slower than kwambai/kibet time wasn't going to cut it )
2) geoffey dominated the kenyan x-country this year & on that basis was probably acknowledged as their best over-distance to 10k runner
3) the winner out of the 2 mutais goes to london
While I totally agree that E Mutai would've done everything he could as far as training for the NYC marathon, is there any reason he would've pulled any punches for London? E Mutai would've trained to his max capabilities for both races, the fact that the NYC field was better and that more was on the line doesn't mean his body suddenly had an increased capacity to train and improve.
J.R. wrote:
STEEPLE SUX wrote:Weldon,
Please mention the dollar amount that this race spent in advertising this week. Your statement was ignorant and almost seems like you may be getting paid to say it.
I think the NYM doesn't finish in the same place that it starts. Which raises the questions, what is the elevation difference between the start and the finish, how far apart are they, and what was the wind speed today.
Even if the NYM does finish at the same place that it starts, it is still nowhere near one of the greatest of all time. It's not even anywhere close to being one of the fastest times of the year. Maybe it's about the 50th greatest of all time. However I do feel it is Geoffrey Mutai's greatest marathon of all time.
Women& men no crosssex dancing rule is OK forIAAF no idea where USATF stands( nor do I care).
Eelvation difference from start to finish is legal for both USATF&IAAF.
Distance from start to finish is OK IAAF-50%- and not OK usatf-30%.
So you can set a WR at NY but not an AR.
!!!Please Santa send me some more rules for Xmas!!!
the greatest marathon ever run is still Radcliffes WR. Mary Keitany today realised just how great it is.
try :
nov 10 - new york - 2"09'18
nov 11 - new york - 2"06'35
that is a guy who has all the indications of improvement thruout
keeping injury-free & not over-racing, that looks more like a 1y improvement than one done in 5/12
RuKiddingMe!! wrote:
the guys on the London video feed must of stated NY is the greatest marathon 10 ten times or more...even stating who ever wins NY is basically the king!...they must be on the advertising pay roll to!
Must HAVE. Fvck me
Well someone just said that they changed Frankfurt to make it a little faster, so maybe the difference is less now.But otherwise, I don't think that faster runners matter the way you think. The bias is a difference between a predicted time and an actual time. There is no reason to think that faster runners would have a bigger bias. Faster athletes would have faster predicted and actual times, leaving the bias largely unaffected by the faster group of athletes.
clarification please wrote:
Is Berlin really 67.4" faster than Frankfurt? Probably not. It's just that Berlin has more appearance fees and prize and incentive money so the faster runners tend to go to Berlin.
There are many great performances on different days so it is hard to compare different courses with different conditions. I feel that Wanjiru in the Beijing Olympics was better because it changed the psychology of what was possible. Gamechanger is a overused term but applies here. I think Wanjiru in his prime would have given Mutai a run for his money todayand probably beaten him. But I don't think any human being could have beaten Sammy in Bejing. RIP - Sammy will be missed. I think he introduced an aggressive style that all of the top marathoners now are emulating. Mutai is the best of the bunch for now. With the right pacing, conditions, and pacemakers 2:02:XX will happen soon. Sub 2 is possible in the next generation. Marathon records will decline faster than 5K and 10K in the future.
rekrunner -
Are you saying that you think Wilson Kipsang is the de facto world record holder when you take course/conditions into account?
You can't underestimate the role of pacemaking. Remember that Wanjiru led the pace from very early on in Beijing. He did a lot of extra work that guys like Makau and Kipsang didn't do. G Mutai had an unofficial pacemaker in Boston in Ryan Hall and he didn't really go to the front alone until after 30k today.
Mr Perspective wrote:
the greatest marathon ever run is still Radcliffes WR. Mary Keitany today realised just how great it is.
Well, I thought this was a real heartbreaker, for her to lead for so long then lose it in last 1 1/2 miles. I was hoping she would rally and keep her lead....but to go out so hard and start to fade it's almost impossible to finfd that last gear.
But the Men's race, Mutai had a 9 min. 2 mile split in the last few miles passing 1st. Ave? Unbelievable...superior ability, talent, drive, training...makes his 2:03:02 look more legit!!
another vote here for wanjiru's beijing marathon being better.
N0w that he has won both Boston and NY in "record" or record times perhaps Frankfurt or Berlin will offer him a couple of million to run, and then put up a multi-million prize for a WR.
What could happen if he ran there - under 2:00:00 would be a possible outcome?
N0w that he has won both Boston and NY in "record" or record times perhaps Frankfurt or Berlin will offer him a couple of million to run, and then put up a multi-million prize for a WR.
What could happen if he ran there - under 2:00:00 would be a possible outcome?
I think he could have run 2:02 low in Berlin with good conditions today.
Ugh. This sub-2 stuff is getting really old- it's not going to happen. EVER. It's a neat barrier, but simply beyond human performance. Yes, times are improving and we're currently in the midst of a "gamechanger" era, but it's equivalent to speaking of a sub 3:20 1500 or at least 12:25 5k!!!
As many have noted, the drops in the marathon now are bringing the WR down to where top athletes in their prime (not "washed up" Geb/Tergat) ought to perform. 2:02s are definitely possible, but that's it...
I'm partial to the Richmond Marathon of 2002.
uh, to be fair, this guy Mutai has the best luck ever when it comes to TAIL wind. Boston 2011 and NYC 2011 had serious tail winds. Of course he beat everyone, but the times at NYC today were heavily influenced by a solid 10mph tail wind for about 19 miles of the course
michael arnstein wrote:
uh, to be fair, this guy Mutai has the best luck ever when it comes to TAIL wind. Boston 2011 and NYC 2011 had serious tail winds. Of course he beat everyone, but the times at NYC today were heavily influenced by a solid 10mph tail wind for about 19 miles of the course
Really seriously? Can others confirm? Thats the first I heard of this tailwind.
geoff tate wrote:
Tergat--Ramaala--NYC
Dixon--Smith--NYC Even Better