Holmdel record taken down?

Vegeta wrote:

Impressed wrote:

The CBA performance today was brilliant. I ran a 4:09 mile in HS and was only able to run 15:59 at Holmdel. A 16:08 5 man average in October is ridiculous.

Ideally the CBA boys haven't peaked too early.

Jon?

Matt.

This team has the potential to average sub-16 at Holmdel.

Unreal.

Who cares about CBA. Start a new thread for that. This is about Cheserek. What if he has the talent to run world class times in high school? Didn't a 18 year old Kenyan run sub 13 indoors last year.

My first thought was Matt as well. Looks like Heath has a pretty crazy team this fall. Hope they make it to Dec or whenever the NXN are.

Who. Carss wrote:

Who cares about CBA. Start a new thread for that. This is about Cheserek. What if he has the talent to run world class times in high school? Didn't a 18 year old Kenyan run sub 13 indoors last year.

Well, he ran 4:03+ mile, 8:42+ 2 mile, 14:03, 9:00 steeple, and 1:52+ last year as a 16/17 year old sophomore (turned 17 in February).

Prior to coming to the US, he had run ~14:30 and 29:45 at altitude in Kenya, and was the Kenyan schoolboy 8k XC champ.

He's got a world of talent, as good as anyone who's ever come up through the US high school ranks.

Sadly, the biggest thing holding him back is that he lives in one of the worst cities in the country (Newark), which while it has some parks, isn't the friendliest place to be training.

Think for a second wrote:

[quote]Who. Carss wrote:

Sadly, the biggest thing holding him back is that he lives in one of the worst cities in the country (Newark), which while it has some parks, isn't the friendliest place to be training.

Why do you think he runs so fast?

Who. Carss wrote:

Didn't a 18 year old Kenyan run sub 13 indoors last year.

Does anyone actually believe that Kenyan was 18?

Yes, the course has gotten faster. I just watched that video tour of the course. Back when I raced there (early 80's) there weren't all those packed cinder paths. There were some, but it was mostly grass & dirt. Now it looks like a sidewalk running through a cross country course.

What's so special about this course? Is it nationally renowned or something?

congrats, a probable twenty something year old kenyan broke the course record set by a 17 year old american with a legit birth certificate. joe still has the record in my book.

legal docs wrote:

congrats, a probable twenty something year old kenyan broke the course record set by a 17 year old american with a legit birth certificate. joe still has the record in my book.

so it's impossible that the Kenyans could produce a good runner under the age of 20?

Author: Barrabas

Subject: RE: Holmdel record taken down?

Message:

Yes, the course has gotten faster. I just watched that video tour of the course. Back when I raced there (early 80's) there weren't all those packed cinder paths. There were some, but it was

Sounds a little bitter. Course is 5 seconds faster tops. I also ran in the 80's and the 90's. I'll tell the kids its 10 seconds faster but that's only bc I am bitter too that all these kids are better than we were.

where did you read he was the 8k kenyan h. s. school champ? and we are to believe he was running sub 30 10k at alltitude at 15 or 16?

"He went on to win all the local school races for runners 19 and under at the Kenyan Junior Nationals Championships: the national high school 8-K cross-country championships, and the 5K (14:30), 10K (29:46) and 3K steeplechase (9:06)."

He did all this when he was supposedly 15.

He has designs on running for the USA, right?

Barrabas wrote:

Yes, the course has gotten faster. I just watched that video tour of the course. Back when I raced there (early 80's) there weren't all those packed cinder paths. There were some, but it was mostly grass & dirt. Now it looks like a sidewalk running through a cross country course.

Agreed. I've run on it within the past five years and parts of it are definitely a cinder track with hills. Back in the day there was a run-off gully down the middle of the bowl that you had to maneuver and switch from side to side going up. Now you can go straight up.

I'd say its only about 10-15 seconds faster now though. Worst case scenario the kid ran a 15:08 on the old course. That beats the 15:20 on the old course that stood for years. Rosa had it beat too. In my opinion I think that Forys had a just enough aid from the manicured course to eclipse the old record by 4 seconds when he took it down.

DublAK2 wrote:

I'd say its only about 10-15 seconds faster now though. Worst case scenario the kid ran a 15:08 on the old course. That beats the 15:20 on the old course that stood for years. Rosa had it beat too. In my opinion I think that Forys had a just enough aid from the manicured course to eclipse the old record by 4 seconds when he took it down.

The DiJoseph record was 15:16, not 15:20. CF nipped it by less than a second.

I believe he is only a junior too. Acording to the Star Ledger, his last 4 races in NJ were all course records. Plus its only 2 weeks into the season. How fast could he go if he had someone on his heels???

gingerfried wrote:

He beat a hs junior's record by 4 seconds. Impressive, but doesn't guarantee he'll smash every record on the books.

How old is this kid? 20? 22?