start of race at 15:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYaDnsLeAQ
video of David Moorcroft 3000m European Record
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One of the best lineups ever:
World Record:
Steve Ovett: 1500m, 1 Mile, 2 Miles
Dave Moorcroft: 5000m
Sydney Maree: 1500m
John Walker: 1 Mile, 2000m
Peter Koech: 3000mSt
European/African/American Record:
Thomas Wessinghage: 1 Mile, 2000m
Mike Boit 800m, 1000m
Steve Scott: 1500m, 1 Mile, 2000m, 3000m
Sydney Maree: 1500m, 2000m, 3000m, 5000m
Olympic/World Medal:
Steve Ovett: 800m, 1500m
Mike Boit: 800m:
John Walker: 1500m
Steve Scott: 1500m
European/Commonwealth Gold:
Thomas Wessinghage: 5000m
David Moorcroft: 1500m, 5000m
Mike Boit: 800m
One of THE great races ever. -
...and for sure Moorcroft has set a European Record in this race!
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European/Commonwealth Gold:
Steve Ovett: 1500m -
The end of that video cuts out like 20 seconds before Coe sets the 3:47.33 WR in 1981... wtf
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Final stretch is on the next video in the cue.
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European/Commonwealth Gold:
Steve Ovett: 1500m
actually
1500m Prague 78 European Gold and also
5000m Edinburgh 86 Commonwealth Gold
(also 800m Silvers in Rome 74 and Prague 78)
My wife doesn't know if I'm a freak or a genius for carrying this stuff in my head. -
Fantastic! Moorcroft was a gutsy runner, and too little remembered. Shame his 5K WR didn't go 0.39 sec faster...
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1955 wrote:
Fantastic! Moorcroft was a gutsy runner, and too little remembered. Shame his 5K WR didn't go 0.39 sec faster...
I think he would have been frustrated: 3/100 shy of THE barrier in the event... -
thanks for the link. nice one. 7:32 is moving
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haven't seen that race since that day
didn't remember any splits back then as just beguiled by him/maree - latter having no overdistance ( 5k ) form at the time - '85 maree wouda been a monsta !
7'32.7 after jog for 400m in ~ 63.0 ( ~ 10m down at 1st lap led in 61.8 ), ridiculous speed up after within 30 - 40m, then getting shafted by wabbit dropping out at ~ 1500m ( full 500m short of modern day & loss of drafting at 1s/lap of ~ 1.25s )
some girding of loins to bell, then looks like ~ 55s finish !
his form that year was
1'46.64 / 13'00.41 ->
7'29.19
but that 800 was a one off & i'm sure he couda claimed 1'46.0 - 1'46.25 as more like it if he couda re-run it with optimum strategy ( elliot won it in 1'45.6 in a tactical race )
his 13'00 was a huge understimate with modern criteria
completely solo, whereas nowdays, wabbit expected to take you to 3k ( 7.5 laps ) at 1s/lap drafting or 7.5s quicker
call it 12'53
with uneven pace of those 12.5 laps, i'm sure that was worth ~ 12'50 at perfect even pace, paced to 3k
1'46.0 - 1'46.25 / 12'50 ->
3'29.9 - 3'30.2
7'24.1 - 7'24.3
suspend your disbelief
you are looking at a very close version of komen, who just marginally lacked the endurance beyond the 1500 of the komen itself
a time close to 3'30 ( wr was ovett 3'31.3 ) & a 3k which couda lasted 15y ( albeit morceli couda gone 7'22/7'23 ) ! -
sure 330 - 725 - 1250
if moorcroft was able to train properly, we would have been up there with the likes of komen, no doubt. -
worth offering some lines of fit for 3k for top 3k guys sans komen/hicham for comparison, in their best 3k shape
morceli
~ 48.0 / 1'43.6 -> 7'22.9
aouita ( '85 )
~ 48.4 / 1'44.2 -> 7'23.7
dave
~ 49.8 / 1'46.1 -> 7'24.4
sydney ( '85 )
~ 49.0 / 1'45.1 -> 7'24.9 -
longjack wrote:if moorcroft was able to train properly, we would have been up there with the likes of komen, no doubt.
no
i didn't say anything about "training properly"
i said :
if he'd just got some even pace & a decent wabbit back in '82, he couda gone close to 3'30 & 7'24
here is argument-clincher :
sydney ( a guy i hugely admire ) was a 1 -paced plodder, metronome, along lines of dave
in '85, just 2/7 after looking whacked in chasing aouita in 3'32 to former's 3'29.4wr, he got a decent wabbit in energetic abdi to bell & ran 3'29.7 !!! -
"England versus the colored South African . . ."
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longjack wrote:sure 330 - 725 - 1250
if moorcroft was able to train properly, we would have been up there with the likes of komen, no doubt.
apologies
i see now you did agree with '82
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I wish track on television was still like this.
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Sadly, that was the day when Ovett's career gone away.
Every athlete in this race was special but I was expecting Ovett's great comeback from injury. Didn't happen. Interesting - apart from his 2 miles WB (Puttemans ran faster indoors in early 70's), Ovett neve ran sub 7:41 3000m despite over 20 outings in the event.
But all credits to Dave. He was sensational in '82. -
That's a stunning run by Moorcroft. Whew! Thanks for that.
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ventolin^3 wrote:
haven't seen that race since that day
didn't remember any splits back then as just beguiled by him/maree - latter having no overdistance ( 5k ) form at the time - '85 maree wouda been a monsta !
7'32.7 after jog for 400m in ~ 63.0 ( ~ 10m down at 1st lap led in 61.8 ), ridiculous speed up after within 30 - 40m, then getting shafted by wabbit dropping out at ~ 1500m ( full 500m short of modern day & loss of drafting at 1s/lap of ~ 1.25s )
some girding of loins to bell, then looks like ~ 55s finish !
his form that year was
1'46.64 / 13'00.41 ->
7'29.19
but that 800 was a one off & i'm sure he couda claimed 1'46.0 - 1'46.25 as more like it if he couda re-run it with optimum strategy ( elliot won it in 1'45.6 in a tactical race )
his 13'00 was a huge understimate with modern criteria
completely solo, whereas nowdays, wabbit expected to take you to 3k ( 7.5 laps ) at 1s/lap drafting or 7.5s quicker
call it 12'53
with uneven pace of those 12.5 laps, i'm sure that was worth ~ 12'50 at perfect even pace, paced to 3k
1'46.0 - 1'46.25 / 12'50 ->
3'29.9 - 3'30.2
7'24.1 - 7'24.3
suspend your disbelief
you are looking at a very close version of komen, who just marginally lacked the endurance beyond the 1500 of the komen itself
a time close to 3'30 ( wr was ovett 3'31.3 ) & a 3k which couda lasted 15y ( albeit morceli couda gone 7'22/7'23 ) !
Good times.
