start of race at 15:30
start of race at 15:30
One of the best lineups ever:
World Record:
Steve Ovett: 1500m, 1 Mile, 2 Miles
Dave Moorcroft: 5000m
Sydney Maree: 1500m
John Walker: 1 Mile, 2000m
Peter Koech: 3000mSt
European/African/American Record:
Thomas Wessinghage: 1 Mile, 2000m
Mike Boit 800m, 1000m
Steve Scott: 1500m, 1 Mile, 2000m, 3000m
Sydney Maree: 1500m, 2000m, 3000m, 5000m
Olympic/World Medal:
Steve Ovett: 800m, 1500m
Mike Boit: 800m:
John Walker: 1500m
Steve Scott: 1500m
European/Commonwealth Gold:
Thomas Wessinghage: 5000m
David Moorcroft: 1500m, 5000m
Mike Boit: 800m
One of THE great races ever.
...and for sure Moorcroft has set a European Record in this race!
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European/Commonwealth Gold:
Steve Ovett: 1500m
The end of that video cuts out like 20 seconds before Coe sets the 3:47.33 WR in 1981... wtf
Final stretch is on the next video in the cue.
European/Commonwealth Gold:
Steve Ovett: 1500m
actually
1500m Prague 78 European Gold and also
5000m Edinburgh 86 Commonwealth Gold
(also 800m Silvers in Rome 74 and Prague 78)
My wife doesn't know if I'm a freak or a genius for carrying this stuff in my head.
Fantastic! Moorcroft was a gutsy runner, and too little remembered. Shame his 5K WR didn't go 0.39 sec faster...
1955 wrote:
Fantastic! Moorcroft was a gutsy runner, and too little remembered. Shame his 5K WR didn't go 0.39 sec faster...
I think he would have been frustrated: 3/100 shy of THE barrier in the event...
thanks for the link. nice one. 7:32 is moving
haven't seen that race since that day
didn't remember any splits back then as just beguiled by him/maree - latter having no overdistance ( 5k ) form at the time - '85 maree wouda been a monsta !
7'32.7 after jog for 400m in ~ 63.0 ( ~ 10m down at 1st lap led in 61.8 ), ridiculous speed up after within 30 - 40m, then getting shafted by wabbit dropping out at ~ 1500m ( full 500m short of modern day & loss of drafting at 1s/lap of ~ 1.25s )
some girding of loins to bell, then looks like ~ 55s finish !
his form that year was
1'46.64 / 13'00.41 ->
7'29.19
but that 800 was a one off & i'm sure he couda claimed 1'46.0 - 1'46.25 as more like it if he couda re-run it with optimum strategy ( elliot won it in 1'45.6 in a tactical race )
his 13'00 was a huge understimate with modern criteria
completely solo, whereas nowdays, wabbit expected to take you to 3k ( 7.5 laps ) at 1s/lap drafting or 7.5s quicker
call it 12'53
with uneven pace of those 12.5 laps, i'm sure that was worth ~ 12'50 at perfect even pace, paced to 3k
1'46.0 - 1'46.25 / 12'50 ->
3'29.9 - 3'30.2
7'24.1 - 7'24.3
suspend your disbelief
you are looking at a very close version of komen, who just marginally lacked the endurance beyond the 1500 of the komen itself
a time close to 3'30 ( wr was ovett 3'31.3 ) & a 3k which couda lasted 15y ( albeit morceli couda gone 7'22/7'23 ) !
sure 330 - 725 - 1250
if moorcroft was able to train properly, we would have been up there with the likes of komen, no doubt.
worth offering some lines of fit for 3k for top 3k guys sans komen/hicham for comparison, in their best 3k shape
morceli
~ 48.0 / 1'43.6 ->7'22.9
aouita ( '85 )
~ 48.4 / 1'44.2 ->7'23.7
dave
~ 49.8 / 1'46.1 ->7'24.4
sydney ( '85 )
~ 49.0 / 1'45.1 ->7'24.9
longjack wrote:if moorcroft was able to train properly, we would have been up there with the likes of komen, no doubt.
no
i didn't say anything about "training properly"
i said :
if he'd just got some even pace & a decent wabbit back in '82, he couda gone close to 3'30 & 7'24
here is argument-clincher :
sydney ( a guy i hugely admire ) was a 1 -paced plodder, metronome, along lines of dave
in '85, just 2/7 after looking whacked in chasing aouita in 3'32 to former's 3'29.4wr, he got a decent wabbit in energetic abdi to bell & ran 3'29.7 !!!
"England versus the colored South African . . ."
How colonial.
longjack wrote:sure 330 - 725 - 1250
if moorcroft was able to train properly, we would have been up there with the likes of komen, no doubt.
apologies
i see now you did agree with '82
accept further apologies
I wish track on television was still like this.
Sadly, that was the day when Ovett's career gone away.
Every athlete in this race was special but I was expecting Ovett's great comeback from injury. Didn't happen. Interesting - apart from his 2 miles WB (Puttemans ran faster indoors in early 70's), Ovett neve ran sub 7:41 3000m despite over 20 outings in the event.
But all credits to Dave. He was sensational in '82.
That's a stunning run by Moorcroft. Whew! Thanks for that.
Good times.