IAAF banned athlete breakdown by country

If you were to order the countries by population the list would be essentially the same.

Kudos to Kenya.

As a proportion of drug suspensions to population the list actually comes out quite differently. Jamaica is near the top while China and India are virtually at the bottom. A more meaningful comparison would use population of track and field athletes per country, but I don't know where you would find those kinds of statistics.

Actually, no, you know, looking at this population list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

it's only true that the top six are anywhere close to population order. Japan, Mexico, Ethiopia and Germany are all far lower, while Italy, France, the Ukraine, Romania etc. all come in much higher than their population ranking.l

Ian Lokoparentis wrote:

Kudos to Kenya.

Hear, hear.

Yuki Kawauchi of Japan ran a 2:08:37. The question I have for this community is based on your opinion, what are the chances that he's doping? He has a full time job, doesn't have a lot of "talent," and doesn't live or train at altitude. Is he someone that letsrun can universally accept as clean?

If that's the case, then why the heck are there only 2 Americans ever (1 natural born) who have run faster than this time? (That's even with the higher than low probability of epo usage in the US besides Eddy Hellebuyck). It's amazing how easily people on this board bash Ryan Hall when he's the ONLY American-born who's even close to competitive in the marathon. We should be giving him our FULL support even when he has an off day because without him, we're worse than pathetic in the marathon. The Americans who bashed his windy sub 2:05 are worse than the Tiger Mom and Red Sox fans pre-2004. Geez. /rant

CURRENT drug bans are too small a sample size. Give us TOTAL suspensions over time. For instance, Russia just "graduated" the six women busted for substituting their urine.

kanny wrote:

Yuki Kawauchi of Japan ran a 2:08:37. The question I have for this community is based on your opinion, what are the chances that he's doping?

Based on Japan's record of doping offenses, zero.

Based on what he seems like as a person, zero.

kanny wrote:

Yuki Kawauchi of Japan ran a 2:08:37. The question I have for this community is based on your opinion, what are the chances that he's doping?

I think you need to read up about Yuki Kawauchi and then wash your keyboard out with soap.

Ten Years After wrote:

CURRENT drug bans are too small a sample size. Give us TOTAL suspensions over time. For instance, Russia just "graduated" the six women busted for substituting their urine.

Sure, find me that PDF and I'll be happy to tally it up.

kanny wrote:

are there only 2 Americans ever (1 natural born)

Was Khannouchi grown in a tube?

kanny wrote:

he's the ONLY American-born who's even close to competitive in the marathon

Deena Kastor won London and Chicago in recent years. And got herself a bronze medal at the Olympic Games. Flanagan's not so bad either, runner-up in NY at her first marathon.

kanny wrote:

Yuki Kawauchi of Japan ran a 2:08:37. Is he someone that letsrun can universally accept as clean? If that's the case, then why the heck are there only 2 Americans ever (1 natural born) who have run faster than this time?

That's a very good question, one everyone should be asking themselves. Especially considering that 20-30 Japanese guys have run faster than Kawauchi, one of them even faster than Hall's best unaided time.

DOPING PER CAPITA

USA 1 doper per 30.7 million

Brazil 1 doper per 20.4 million

Russia 1 doper per 20.4 million

UK 1 doper per 16.4 million

Jamaica 1 doper per 1.4 million

That's how they win those sprint medals.

Except that countries with a smaller population would necessarily come out worse using that method. Say one person from a tiny country dopes and one from a large country. Is the tiny country dirtier just because they are small? It depends on your assumptions about the rate of doping being universally constant, but a straight ratio of offenses to national population would seem to unduly penalize small countries.

coach d wrote:

DOPING PER CAPITA

USA 1 doper per 30.7 million

Brazil 1 doper per 20.4 million

Russia 1 doper per 20.4 million

UK 1 doper per 16.4 million

Jamaica 1 doper per 1.4 million

That's how they win those sprint medals.

Percentage of Jamaican population competing seriously in athletics versus that of the United States?

insiders know wrote:

As a proportion of drug suspensions to population the list actually comes out quite differently. Jamaica is near the top while China and India are virtually at the bottom. A more meaningful comparison would use population of track and field athletes per country, but I don't know where you would find those kinds of statistics.

Track and field participation rates might be tricky to get hold of, but you could use either

a) Size of team sent to last Olympics.

or

b) Total medals won

as proxies for relative sports involvement for different countries.

Countries like Germany look very clean. Australia is also very clean given medal count to banning ratio (and their single banned athlete was a test refusal based on religious grounds by a guy who is not competitive at the international level).

Oh for Gods Sake they are all doping.

Ten Years After wrote:

CURRENT drug bans are too small a sample size. Give us TOTAL suspensions over time. For instance, Russia just "graduated" the six women busted for substituting their urine.

+1

Wow, so it appears the countries with the largest populations and most athletes have the most drug suspensions.

India is pretty surprising, though...

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Was Khannouchi grown in a tube?

Good catch, but look up all the definitions of natural.

About Kastor - that was 5-6 years ago. Flanagan - absolutely (missed that).