my buddy who doesn't follow track jumped up and yelled THATS A DUDE.... a good laugh was had by all
my buddy who doesn't follow track jumped up and yelled THATS A DUDE.... a good laugh was had by all
bobonuts wrote:
In life I thnk you are the rule follower type. Not the investigative reporter type. You'd prefer the answer to be clean and clear.
None of that diatribe has any meaning. All social BS and "listen to the officials." The facts are the head of the SA sports federation who lied and BSA'd and covered her results up pre the last WC, has been thrown out of office and charged criminally.
Years from now they will let everyone know, what many of us already think.
Sport has becoem too political and social enginering has devalued fair play.
If you want some quotes that should scare you about our fearless leaders read the article about the Jewish guy who refused tho go to Berlin, and track down the official quotes from Avery Brundage. They will horrify you.
This is all political expedience.
Actually, he just blew you right out of the water. I only hope that he will not dignify your nonsense with another response.
En Serio wrote:
bobonuts wrote:In life I thnk you are the rule follower type. Not the investigative reporter type. You'd prefer the answer to be clean and clear.
None of that diatribe has any meaning. All social BS and "listen to the officials." The facts are the head of the SA sports federation who lied and BSA'd and covered her results up pre the last WC, has been thrown out of office and charged criminally.
Years from now they will let everyone know, what many of us already think.
Sport has become too political and social enginering has devalued fair play.
If you want some quotes that should scare you about our fearless leaders read the article about the Jewish guy who refused tho go to Berlin, and track down the official quotes from Avery Brundage. They will horrify you.
This is all political expedience.
Actually, he just blew you right out of the water. I only hope that he will not dignify your nonsense with another response.
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Another sheep? Baa
When you get through life a little more, you'll find that it isn't fair, nor honest.
Nothing he said has anything to do with the semenya case. Its all opinionated crap about life and justice.
937; wrote:
The arguments that Semenya should not be allowed to compete are:
1. She is good.
2. She doesn't look like a standard female distance runner.
3. We have repeated enough rumors that they must be true.
4. She doesn't celebrate like a woman.
The more nuanced arguments now say that she is a socialized woman but biologically a man. These argument cut against some of the others (flexing after a race—which is not a biological response) and should be considered absurd on their face. Absolutely nobody no here has any scientific data about Semenya. Instead, they rely on rumors which must be true because they were not denied (logic that might work on a 5th grader but hopefully not adults).
In the end the attacks on Semenya are the same as they have always been. She improved a lot and ran fast (unlike Maria Mutola) and she doesn't look right (unlike Jelimo). That there is no criticism that I have seen about Mutola or Jelimo suggests what we already know: the people who go onto LetsRun to bash professional athletes are just petty.
Posters here would rather say that woman who runs faster than 1:58 while a teenager (like Jelimo, or Alison Felix whose 22.11 as a HSer was the world leading time) or improves a lot (again, like Jelimo) should be considered a high school boy for competition purposes. Or if a woman doesn't look like a distance runner and does well (Mutola) she should not be allowed to compete. Alluding to rumors as scientific proof is preposterous. Likewise, explaining the differences between men and woman then asserting that Semenya has an advantage makes unsubstantiated assumptions.
Claiming that Semenya looks like a man and therefore is a man falls apart when one looks outiside of distance running. I am sure that women in the shot, discus, and hammer would be thrilled to hear that they are only socialized women but really men.
In the end all that we do know is that the people who conducted the scientific tests have allowed Semenya to compete. They have the data, we do not. Making up contrary data, or asserting the Semenya is on hormone treatment but because she is still running well so must still be cheating are not rational fact-based arguments but instead based on fantasy and prejudice.
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Wow. Where have you been idiot? Do a little research before writing such crap. She was found to have testicles and inflated testosterone. She was put on hormone treatments. Everyone who watched her quick development knew there was something wrong. It was proven to be true. These were not rumors.
South Africa has all the freaks:
Castor is just a slow male runner; why the hype?
The blade runner is not even an athlete. Look at his body, and compare him to the other 400 runners. He looks like he doesn't even work out. I'll bet with normal legs, he'd couldn't break 58 seconds in his current shape. He'd max out at about 55 seconds with normal legs if he trained.
Easy to categorize:
Male Division: Testes + high testosterone levels (250-X)
Female Division: Ovaries + low testosterone levels (25-110)
EZ Done and Done newbs.
X = normal max male range without PE drugs.
I remember seeing a video of a normal guy with legs wearing the same type of blades as Pistoria except they were much bigger (2 feet long or so). We was able to run the length of a track in like 10 seconds. Each stride was like 5 meters. Very cool display. Yes Pistoria's are smaller but a huge advantage over what he would be able to do with normal legs.
Da Facts wrote:
South Africa has all the freaks:
Castor is just a slow male runner; why the hype?
The blade runner is not even an athlete. Look at his body, and compare him to the other 400 runners. He looks like he doesn't even work out. I'll bet with normal legs, he'd couldn't break 58 seconds in his current shape. He'd max out at about 55 seconds with normal legs if he trained.
Hahahaha...good move by Semenya.
2nd place = No controversy.
Until next year in which she will drops a massive 1:53 and retire.
She's saving his face.
Barakus Obama wrote:
Until next year in which she will drops a massive 1:53 and retire.
So that she won't be able to earn any money off the win?
2nd place also gets money. It's good for "her" to make some money.
But 2012 is the year of the big bucks. When she gets the paycheck...kaboooom. Retirement.
He looked like he was joggin the last 50 meters. 2nd place no scrutiny. He proved to himself he could win if he wanted and then backed off. I loved the intros, all the women were blowing kisses and Seminya was flexing his muscles like Bolt.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-09-10/news/17931933_1_caster-semenya-test-results-photo-spreadCSfan wrote:
Is this really true? Or is it just guesses? I just don't think she should be discriminated against if this hasn't been proven. If it is proven, I don't understand why the IAAF would say it's okay... Politics you say.
whackothediddle oh wrote:
Another sheep? Baa
When you get through life a little more, you'll find that it isn't fair, nor honest.
Nothing he said has anything to do with the semenya case. Its all opinionated crap about life and justice.
Do you see the irony of making sheep noises in the sentence prior to telling someone else to grow up?
I'm not involved in this. I just pointed out that the other fellow made you look foolish.
Making sheep noises only helped his cause.
en sera, you have not followed the thread.
Its not philosophical crap that is being discussed. Not the structure of an argument. The thread is about one thing, that answer is about another. Yes it makes sense, but not in the context of the total discussion. Its all diatribe. And this is letsrun. Facts aren't that important here. If you want facts go to T&FN.
This is about drinking beer and emotion. And statements from average to below enthusiastic middle distance runners.
IN this case Semenya is proven to have HIGH testosterone and has undergone treatments to get her within Limits. I have a lot of sympathy for a medical condition that will impact her life in far greater ways than running. In her country probably worse than in the US.
But the facts are she had an unfair advantage in the last WC and should have been DQ'd. Everyone in SA associated with her entry was suspended or fired. That's the facts.
This year she has supposedly undergone treatment to get her testosterone production (from her internal testicles) under control. She supposedly has been receiving eostrogen treatment, but people wonder as she is such a powerful and relaxed runner, no one believes she's running hard.
This will only end when she retires. I feel for the rest of the female 800 runners who must think they are running against Rudisha. There is a great article on another thread you should read. Find it.
I agree that this will only end when she retires. But what if she was open about what happened and decided to make her testosterone levels public, to be open and honest about treatment. This article makes a good point, i thought. It might be the article mentioned above:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/09/iaaf-world-champs-800m-women-questions.html
I mean, there may be advantages that persist even after lowering testosterone, but it would be a start, right? At least the advantage isn't one that challenges the 'gender line'. And in time, who knows?
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937; wrote:
The arguments that Semenya should not be allowed to compete are:
5. She has a large mustache
S'he tried to break into Vessey's sympathy hug with Montano after the race and they stonewalled CS big time.
Nutella1 wrote:
I doubt she will win. She is already world champion. If she wins she risks more investigation and may not be able to start in London. Not worth it. Finish 2nd or 3rd, then drop the hammer next year.
Looks like I was spot on.
Zero Gravity wrote:
S'he tried to break into Vessey's sympathy hug with Montano after the race and they stonewalled CS big time.
Haha, yeah, I noticed that as well.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts