it's pretty obvious Robles fouled Xiang. he grabbed his arm for ****s sake! it's pretty clear when you watch the front angle, he completely takes Xiang out of rythym.
Robles robbed Xiang of gold. i feel sorry for Richardson, he doesn't want an asterisked gold medal.
Robles is such a bitch.
Look at 6.04 and a few seconds before. At 6.04, Robles's right hand was "open" and before that, his right hand was "closed".
Without a doubt, Robles was intentionally taken Liu out when he knew he was going to lose. This is not even close.
luked wrote:
it's pretty obvious Robles fouled Xiang. he grabbed his arm for ****s sake! it's pretty clear when you watch the front angle, he completely takes Xiang out of rythym.
Robles robbed Xiang of gold. i feel sorry for Richardson, he doesn't want an asterisked gold medal.
Robles is such a bitch.
luked wrote:
it's pretty obvious Robles fouled Xiang. he grabbed his arm for ****s sake! it's pretty clear when you watch the front angle, he completely takes Xiang out of rythym.
Robles robbed Xiang of gold. Robles is such a bitch.
Agree 100%!
Are you people who claim it was an accident drunk? or blind? It was a BS move by a BS competitor. totally intentional.
It looks intentional but his reaction after the finish is weird for a guy who just cheated and is trying to get away with it. Might have been a reflex but "intentional" is a big word here. Certainly not premeditated.
wejo wrote:
There were I think 3 people in there and they were showing the hurdles race on the tvs in super slow mow.
Hmm, maybe that explains the long grass on the track.
sp!kes wrote:
luked wrote:it's pretty obvious Robles fouled Xiang. he grabbed his arm for ****s sake! it's pretty clear when you watch the front angle, he completely takes Xiang out of rythym.
Robles robbed Xiang of gold. Robles is such a bitch.
Agree 100%!
Are you people who claim it was an accident drunk? or blind? It was a BS move by a BS competitor. totally intentional.
Oh, boy. Let me guess: more opinions from people who've never run a high hurdles race...
Robles DID take Liu completely out of rhythm--no question there--and killed Liu's momentum over H10. He DID rob Liu of gold. Absolutely correct.
But to say he did it intentionally--look at Robles between H9 and H10. He's practically staggering, and was almost as lucky as Liu to clear the 10th barrier. The collisions threw Robles off, too (his relatively slow time confirms this), just not as much.
An earlier poster talked about hurdlers' keeping their arms closer to their bodies. Nope--to balance the rotary momentum of the (much more massive) trail leg, the arm on that side of the body has to sweep through about as wide an arc as possible. Otherwise residual rotation will twist the torso and reduce forward propulsion. [For those who are curious, Tom Ecker has elucidated this point in a nice, clearcut way in various articles and books.] The arm on Liu's and Robles's left side: yeah, that should be more straight forward-and-back.
Blowing.Rock Master wrote:
Off the Grid wrote:Robles opens his hand and grasps over the last hurdles. He GRABS LX's arm. I don't know how much more blatant you have to be. He deserves to be DQed. This is flagrant.
I love how Robles hugs Liu after the race, "Dude, I just screwed you! Here's a consolation hug."
I think Robles had a good idea how this might end up. He didn't look very excited for someone who just won gold.
I concur.
Steve Urkel needed to be disqualified.
That was blatant.
Cuba will have to live with it.
Robles was robbed. Plain and simple. The arm contact was completely unintentional. Yes, their arms hit in the air, but guess what??? THIS IS THE NATURE OF THE HURDLES. As someone who ran high hurdles in high school and college I can tell you this is part of the race. Pretty much everyone deals with arm contact in hurdles. Everybody who's actually done the hurdles knows this. I can't believe Xiang is such a pussssy boy and complained about this. I've lost all respect for Xiang. What a wusssss. He just robbed his so called "friend" of a gold medal.
You don't know how many times my arm clashed with other runners knocking my off balance and perhaps costing me a higher place, but as a man I understood this was part of this event. If I had acted like Xiang, and complained about this and that, I would have disqualified just about a runner per meet. What a disgrace Xiang is, and all that defend him are a bunch of pusssssy boys just like him. If you can't handle the heat, switch events pussssy boy
This just opened up a pandora's box in the high hurdles. Now everyone that loses a hurdle race will go and complain about arm contact. Jeeez what a joke...
Should the IAAF mandate wider lanes for the hurdles? If contact really happens all the time, seems like wider lanes would ameliorate that. It'd be like the extra wide (standard) hurdle lanes on an indoor track.
pusssy boy alert!!! wrote:
Robles was robbed. Plain and simple. The arm contact was completely unintentional. Yes, their arms hit in the air, but guess what??? THIS IS THE NATURE OF THE HURDLES. As someone who ran high hurdles in high school and college I can tell you this is part of the race. Pretty much everyone deals with arm contact in hurdles. Everybody who's actually done the hurdles knows this. I can't believe Xiang is such a pussssy boy and complained about this. I've lost all respect for Xiang. What a wusssss. He just robbed his so called "friend" of a gold medal.
You don't know how many times my arm clashed with other runners knocking my off balance and perhaps costing me a higher place, but as a man I understood this was part of this event. If I had acted like Xiang, and complained about this and that, I would have disqualified just about a runner per meet. What a disgrace Xiang is, and all that defend him are a bunch of pusssssy boys just like him. If you can't handle the heat, switch events pussssy boy
This just opened up a pandora's box in the high hurdles. Now everyone that loses a hurdle race will go and complain about arm contact. Jeeez what a joke...
If you watch the tape, at teh first contact, Steve Urkel seems to grab Xiang. Then, he does it again albeit not as much as the first time.
HE did it twice. I feel that he should have avoided coming into contact with Xiang the second time but he did.
Xiang was coming strong and would have won the race. Robles's action not only impeded him but made him lose balance. He could have fallen.
My philosophical take: Nothing was done "intentionally" in the way most of you are using the word. Robles does not have time while running 25mph over hurdles to intentionally grab another man's arm.
The contact was unintentional, but once the contact is made, the "natural" thing to do is propel yourself further, to "drive" like Robles did. If you're running all out for the big prize, you fight to the finish.
What he did impeded Liu Xiang, and the DQ was legit, but what he did was not "intentional". in other words he did not have intent after hurdle 8 to go grab Liu Xiang twice between hurdles 9 and 10.
Whoever is saying it was intentional... maybe you're right but i think you're wrong.
IAAF got it Right!
Richardson deserved Gold, Xiang Silver, and Robles DQ!!
If Robles didn't intentionally try to hit Xiang on the last hurdle he would have won and not been DQ'd. The second hit on Xiang over the last hurdle was blatant. If Robles would have only hit him once, he would have stole the victory from Xiang.
Why did Richardson deserve Gold? Simply put, he was the fatsest man over the line without impeding another runner.
Robles made a stupid mistake that Xiang paid for. Robles owes an apology to both Richardson and Xiang...
Employeee #1 wrote:
My philosophical take: Nothing was done "intentionally" in the way most of you are using the word. Robles does not have time while running 25mph over hurdles to intentionally grab another man's arm.
The contact was unintentional, but once the contact is made, the "natural" thing to do is propel yourself further, to "drive" like Robles did. If you're running all out for the big prize, you fight to the finish.
What he did impeded Liu Xiang, and the DQ was legit, but what he did was not "intentional". in other words he did not have intent after hurdle 8 to go grab Liu Xiang twice between hurdles 9 and 10.
Whoever is saying it was intentional... maybe you're right but i think you're wrong.
Personally, I used the word blatant, not 'intentional(ly)'.
true, but the ruling screwed my lets run prediction contest. I had the race perfectly until the ruling.
CONGRATS ON JASON RICHARDSON WINNING THE GOLD MEDAL!!!
HE EARNED IT JUST AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER PAST CHAMPS!
Liu Xiang obviousely hindered Robles on the 9th hurdle, by moving his left arm in Robles' lane, who then hits Xiang's arm. There the problems start, so basically caused by Xiang.
It's also obvious that Robles hinders Xiang on the 10th hurdle, by in return having his arm too much in Xiang's lane. But that is because of what happened earlier.
So Robles should file a protest over Xiang because of what happened on the 9th hurdle. So then the numbers 1 and 2 are disqualified! Big cheer for the jury. No, off course the original result should be intact again: 1. Robles, 2. Richardson, 3. Liu Xiang.
Wlll I had money on Robles but intentional or not you cannot grab someone's arm. DQ borderline but fair. The only thing I would like to check was if Xiang hit the hurdle before or after arm contact
When I was watching I wondered why Robles seemed to suddenly propel forward. It was actually Xiang suddenly dropping back