Solinsky volunteers to stay in the blood testing pool for the world champs

ohreally! wrote:

1. it's already out of his system

2. why would they test people not even competing

3. he must think he's slick

So where is your reason for him pulling out then?

How long is your attention span?

Do you remember a day back? 2 days?

the last six weeks before your peak race is the key time for speed workouts, and if solinsky was going to do well, he had to do the workouts. so, he thought the hamstring had improved, he did the workout, the hamstring naturally was not healed (they take a long time to heal), and he was out. he was already being tested, so all this slander is needless and obnoxious.

You people that think everyone cheats must be real disappointed in life (glass half empty) - good luck on trying to enjoy anything positive!!! Solinsky has never cheated and never will!

The way he has raced this year is consistent of somebody with injury

Solinsky committed the cardinal sin of being a national HS champ, then working hard to become an NCAA champion, and then working hard to set an American 10,00-meter record and break 13:00 for 5000 meters three times in 2010. For all of this, he gets slammed on this message board for imaginary crimes.

I consider myself very lucky to not know any of you personally. I feel sorry for your parents,girlfriends, and household pets.

Thank you. You people make me sick.

I concur. If you folks believe even half the unsubstantiated crap you post here, I don't see how you can even be fans of elite track and field. Yeah, there are drug cheats. And they tend to get caught.

I'm on both sides here.

He volunteered to get tested.

I don't know how this happens if he is in Oregon and the blood tests are being done in Korea.

If he flies out there and somehow gets tested in the same protocol as the competing athletes, I will give him credit.

If not, his words mean nothing.

The injury thing I can see. The hamstring has been nagging him. He's going to do speed work two weeks before a Championships because that's what you do to get ready. And you can re-injure yourself that way. It's a fine line between world class training and being hurt.

I think avoiding Championships to avoid testing kind of defeats the purpose of what you are trying to achieve.

On the other hand, he very well may be taking PED's.

Many top athletes do. Most do not get caught. The athletes are usually ahead of the system.

Some may be spooked by the newest test.

Some may have legitimate reasons for not competing.

I won't come to a conclusion on or openly suspect anyone because I simply do not know.

Think about this scenario:

To all the 15:30 5k runners out there...

I will give you $1 million dollars to break 15:00.

You see two doors in front of you. Pass through the left door and you continue on about your business. Pass through the right door and you have an unlimited supply of a performance enhancing drug and means to beat detection.

What door do you take?

Think about this:

Before the '96 Olympics athletes were asked two questions for a Sports Illustrated article:

1. There is an undetectable performance enhancing drug. Take this drug and you will win every major championship in the next 5 years. Do you take the drug? 90% of those surveyed said yes.

2. There is an undetectable performance enhancing drug. Take this drug and you will win every major championship in the next 5 years. Problem is, you will have severe health issues and maybe even death as a result of this drug within 20 years. Do you take the drug? 60% of those surveyed still said yes.

PEDs = Better Athletes = Faster, Stronger, Farther = More Money = You and your family are set for life.

If you assume everyone is dirty then you are still on a level playing field and it is still your training and talent that takes you to the top. Only clean athletes are on the outside looking in scrapping by on pennies and a crappy shoe contract.

Alan

toro wrote:

I'm on both sides here.

He volunteered to get tested.

I don't know how this happens if he is in Oregon and the blood tests are being done in Korea.

If he flies out there and somehow gets tested in the same protocol as the competing athletes, I will give him credit.

If not, his words mean nothing.

Why can't he be tested according to the same protocol in Oregon? I don't see why he needs to be in Daegu to have a blood sample taken unless you're presuming USADA is corrupt or incompetent (and even then that's not Solinsky's problem).

It is a game of taking undetectable drugs and staying one step ahead of the testers. Legal or illegal everybody is doing something to enhance performance.

It is a nice jaw line up in that picture. Is there a test for HGH? All the athletes in that picture are on HGH or roids.

I've been in Cambodia and Vietnam before Worlds largely disconnected from the running World.

I saw the news Solinsky was out and I immediately thought, "People will speculate he's doping on the boards."

Chris should consider it a compliment. If he was running 13:12 no one would care about him.

And we've always said we allow doping speculation because ultimately we believe it leads to a cleaner sport. Personally I believe Chris is clean and the speculation makes him say, "hey I want to be tested to show I'm clean." This leads to a cleaner sport if clean athletes are pushing for better tests and people also start asking why certain people aren't being tested more.

Citizen Runner wrote:

Why can't he be tested according to the same protocol in Oregon? I don't see why he needs to be in Daegu to have a blood sample taken unless you're presuming USADA is corrupt or incompetent (and even then that's not Solinsky's problem).

Because the subject of the thread says he volunteers to stay in the blood testing pool for world champs.

To me that means he will be tested by the same group in the same way at the same time with the same test.

tweeter is the biggest troll of all. seriously people...get some freak'n lives.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the big deal about Daegu is that they're doing 100% testing of all athletes, not just medalists and some number of random in competition tests as was done previously. It's not my impression that the specific tests are any different than the current standard. I recognize that the test standard is ever evolving but I'm not aware that any specific new test has been announced.

At least that's the way I read this article:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/11/us-athletics-world-doping-idUSTRE77A1PL20110811

Obviously it's convenient for the testers to have the test pool athletes all in one place to draw samples, but it doesn't seem necessary as blood and urine samples can be collected elsewhere and included in the pool.

One could argue that Solinsky's volunteering to be tested doesn't mean much because a USADA tester has the right to show up at his (or Tyson Gay, or Warner, . . .) door virtually anytime anyway, but the premise that these guys are dodging the biggest meet of the year to avoid doping controls doesn't make much sense.

All this means is that his positive test will be covered up with Nike $$$ and the USATF knuckleheads.

the WADA Biological Passport is longitudinal and began in 2010. you can read about it here:

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Science-Medicine/Athlete-Biological-Passport/

at about $30 million annual operating costs WADA exists for a reason.

cheating doesn't make sense but it is much more rampant than you think. we are not spending $30 million because a handful are guilty. the problem is that the number of athletes evading detection is incredibly high.

coach d wrote:

[quote]toro wrote:

http://lockerz.com/s/131168707

Hey, Leo's not that tall. oh, he's on a step.