Seriously WTH is Alberto doing with his camp: Mo Farah 26:47, Galen Rupp last 800m 1:52.5

One thing is for certain. We can certainly disregard any notion that Salazar is "cheating" or "circumventing the rules" because we all know Salazar has absolutely no history of such activities. Clean as a whistle, Alberto Salazar is.

Tegenkamp would have won if only he'd worn Vibrams.

douglas burke wrote:

[quote]storm cloud wrote:

I also find this amazing. Has Bekele himself ever run faster than 1:52 for the last 800?

i dont know what k. bekele has been running his last 800's in, but k. bekele has run 12 10k's on the track, and his slowest time ever is 27:08.

+1 for that. I was just going to say - has bekele ever run 28:38 before?

The fact that we're comparing Rupp to Bekele based on his performance tells us what he just did was impressive. Leave it at that. Whether or not Sol would have changed that we don't know, and really doesn't matter because he didn't toe the line last night. Teg did, obviously went for the win, and couldn't manage it. So that tells us something. Great finish to everyone in the top 3. They all earned their paychecks last night.

The only way to shut everyone is to find out what Galen closed the last 800 of his 27:10 in... That will show you exactly what kind of speed he has at the end of a FAST pace

Inertia Policeman wrote:

+1 for that. I was just going to say - has bekele ever run 28:38 before?

No, but has Bekele ever been in a race where the next slowest guy ran 28:40, and where he had a 5k to run less than 24 hours later? I don't see what's the point in comparing this race with anything he's raced.

your c) point is 100% bullshit,

there is a big difference in inserting an needle in your ass or sleep at artificial altitude, which is very hard work to get your training and recovery right.

btw. 1.52 for the last 800 is sweet. if he can do this what 10k shape would he be in right now???

It's also smart not to go out in full when you have to race an 5k next day..so this race was exactly what Rupp needed.

Damn you Americans are lucky, Ritz, Rupp and Hall Lagat etc etc....is it gonna rain medals???

Btw how is Ritz doing??

26'59 is the past. ......you can live off the past. CS has step up to the new game!!!

"The fact that we're comparing Rupp to Bekele based on his performance tells us what he just did was impressive"

Have you ever read one of the "hotness" threads? A lot of people on this board lack any comparative judgement.

Soap Opera Drama

Pre 10000m

Chris Solinsky still have some resentment towards Galen Rupp for Chris altering his plans at Pre. Chris wanted to run in the 2 mile but hop in the 10000m to protect his American Record. Once he saw Rupp not running he had no need to protect his AR and then he slipped up and mentioned a ploy by Alberto and Galen. After stating the reason he dropped was a hamstring "that probably needs 1-2 wks and he'll ready to go"- he couldn't run the 2 mile as he intentionally planned.

Galen didn't drop out of the Pre 10000m to play with Solinsky's mind but Chris has made this more than it is when all he had to do was say, "I drop out because there was no threat to my AR."

USA Championships

Galen has shown he is at a new level and Mo Farah statement that Galen could run 26:46 like him is mostly very accurate.

So how will Solinsky react if Galen beats him in the US Championships 5000m and later take his 10000m AR?

leprend wrote:

No, but has Bekele ever been in a race where the next slowest guy ran 28:40, and where he had a 5k to run less than 24 hours later? I don't see what's the point in comparing this race with anything he's raced.

Bekele has won world cross country long/short course on back to back days 5 years in a row (2002-2006). He also doubled 5k/10k in the Olympics ... twice. And he did it at the WCs, too. He knows plenty about races 24 hours apart.

Bekele has never run a 28:30s race because he has never raced a field with no guts like last night's field.

I watched live last night and my initial feeling after the race was that I was disappointed that I stayed up for it. It was boring. Luke Puskedra was the "aggressive" one. He dropped a single weak 66.3 surge before the last 1200. Guys like Hartmann, Reyes, an out of form Abdi, and Mack were all able to lead by just jogging to the front, even as late as 1200 to go.

Pathetic.

This race says nothing about Rupp's ability to medal at the WCs. He won't be handed such a wimpy race by the Kenyans and Ethiopians.

GalenStepsUp wrote:

WOW 1:52.5 I just saw the race and Rupp was relaxed and stop pushing almost 100m out from the line. He definitely could have run 1 to 1.5 seconds faster indicating he could have run his last 800m at 1:51.0. Even though it was slower than Solinsky's AR Galen's last 800m was more impressive.

Matt Tegenkamp is definitely a very good world class closer and he didn't have an answer for Galen's speed. Even off that pace I think you could count on one hand the number of African who could close that fast with no strain.

But in championships they will be closing at that pace coming off of sub 27. Big deal.....sit and kick.

When I talked to Alberto after the race he said that Galen has been doing a lot of speed work. He mentioned that he ran 100 in 11.3 and 200 meters in 23.X in recent workouts. Looks like that's what's paying off. He said that Rupp and Farah have been "neck and neck" in almost all of their workouts.

VIPAM wrote:

It's hard to see more then 10 men in the world being able to run a relaxed last 800m in 1:52.5 off even in a slow 10000m and Rupp wasn't forcing it the last 50-60 meters.

Even if this were true, there is no way the top 10 in the world would run such a slow race. Yes, Rupp has speed off a slow pace. Next is to show closing speed off a fast pace. We'll see.

btw I love how the legend of rupp grows throughout the thread. first he relaxes 50-60m out...then it's 70m...then 100m. Do I hear a 120m?

Certaintly there is a difference in closing fast off of a slow pace vs fast pace; however when you drop a half dozen sub-28 guys in the process and win the race, it's impressive. Also, Rupp was not into his top gear until a little before the last lap, which means he could have closed even faster if needed. Btw, the WC and Olympic 10K is usually only in the low 27s and closes in about 1:55, alhough I have also seen them run 4 minutes for the last mile as well.

Judging by the video (and its hard to tell) It looked like it was a 1:55 or so. Are there official splits somewhere or are we taking Rawson's word for it?

Seriously? Are you wanting to know specific protocols or just the chief agents?

atrrunner wrote:

Judging by the video (and its hard to tell) It looked like it was a 1:55 or so. Are there official splits somewhere or are we taking Rawson's word for it?

Official FAT split at flashresults. My hand time was 1:54 but the electric eye had 1:52.

nikeman wrote:He mentioned that he ran 100 in 11.3 and 200 meters in 23.X in recent workouts

this is absolutely incredible if true !!!

that must indicate 50-flat or better speed !!!

wow !!!