That last post was mine. Fat fingers hit enter before I completed my username.
That last post was mine. Fat fingers hit enter before I completed my username.
I have no problem with that, but of course the traffic on respect street moves both directions.
How do you feel you were disrespected by that post? It seems rather benign to me.
You can take it any way you wish, but respect is not “as long as people are up front about their reports (‘I did 50 miles this week including walking’) I don’t see a problem.” It was pretty obvious that this whole dialogue was designed to stir the pot. Snarky and weak execution. Very similar to the cold weather guy; must be cousins or studying from “Trolling for Dummies.”
Mike Lundgren wrote:
... is it believed that your knee tendon has calcification that is permanent and cannot be broken down by ultrasound, deep tissue massage, icing and gentle stretches?
I have no idea. My initial consultation was with a PA immediately after having the X-rays taken. In four weeks I go back and talk to the MD. Meanwhile I have a script for physical therapy.
The calcification appeared as fairly sizeable chunks in the tendon. The PA said they might be bits of bone that had broken off. It was a hard fall back in October that precipitated this latest bout of pain, so maybe related? Another question for the MD.
My "base" diet is quite healthy. Fish, eggs, leafy greens, vegetables, fresh fruit. But I tend to overdo the carbs on top of that -- an entire box of cereal at breakfast, a pound of cookies at lunch. I've put on 25 pounds since Thanksgiving.
Coyote Montane -- It's amazing to me that you persevered through those setbacks. And came back stronger than ever, age-graded. Gives me hope. I managed 35 minutes on the elliptical yesterday, and 20 minutes on the bike trainer this morning.
Anyway, as I mentioned yesterday, I've got other pressing priorities at present. Still, I'd like to get back to running, if only to keep my weight under control. 183 lbs this morning. Ouch. I'm only 5'11".
Sure , bad talk your doctors . Funny but humans do break and sometimes there are really no good answers. My issue labral tear in the hip advanced osteoarthritis and that impinged issue makes it painful now at 63 to run pain free . Yep it sucks . I have been running for over 50 years . Real fast and competitive in HS and College and even into my middle to late 50s . Ya can’t let it get you down as my 11 min miles go .. keep on moving but I now get on the bike to actually get a better endurance workout .
Allen, priorities are good, but at our age hopefully we can devote an hour or so a day to our training and fitness! Good that you're doing the cross training and best of luck with your rehab; hope you can make it back. But the big thing for us all is to stay as healthy as we can.
re: the chain of discussion on walking etc. syracuse has asked a couple of interesting questions, in the past couple months. the walking one seemed respectful and several including AK-67 and Igy gave a reasonable reply. So I'm not sure what the disagreement is about.
But agree, at our age we get to make it up as we go. For example, the rule of thumb is not to do doubles until you're at 70 plus miles a week. Well for the past 10-12 years I've sometimes done doubles at 50-60 mile weeks. Sometimes due to schedule--it can be hard to get a continuous full hour some days, so breaking it up into short sessions has worked. And other times I'm tired & beat up, so a 4 and 5 mile double goes easier than grinding out 9 or 10.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
You can take it any way you wish, but respect is not “as long as people are up front about their reports (‘I did 50 miles this week including walking’) I don’t see a problem.” It was pretty obvious that this whole dialogue was designed to stir the pot. Snarky and weak execution. Very similar to the cold weather guy; must be cousins or studying from “Trolling for Dummies.”
He has an opinion that you disagree with. Why not just leave it at that?
oId guy wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
You can take it any way you wish, but respect is not “as long as people are up front about their reports (‘I did 50 miles this week including walking’) I don’t see a problem.” It was pretty obvious that this whole dialogue was designed to stir the pot. Snarky and weak execution. Very similar to the cold weather guy; must be cousins or studying from “Trolling for Dummies.”
He has an opinion that you disagree with. Why not just leave it at that?
No problem, glad to do it. I am not like the guy that signs off “Best to Most” every week.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
oId guy wrote:
He has an opinion that you disagree with. Why not just leave it at that?
No problem, glad to do it. I am not like the guy that signs off “Best to Most” every week.
How can something like that possibly offend you?
How does all this banter offend you? Apparently sitting at the front of your mind.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
How does all this banter offend you? Apparently sitting at the front of your mind.
All of this banter does not offend me. However, the disrespectful posts do bother me. This has long been a thread where us gray hairs could come and talk about issues without fear of being judged unfairly. I’m not keen on you, or anyone else, disrupting the atmosphere of support and camaraderie that we have worked long and hard to foster. Please reconsider how you reply to someone who you don’t see eye-to-eye with. Thank you.
oId guy wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
How does all this banter offend you? Apparently sitting at the front of your mind.
All of this banter does not offend me. However, the disrespectful posts do bother me. This has long been a thread where us gray hairs could come and talk about issues without fear of being judged unfairly. I’m not keen on you, or anyone else, disrupting the atmosphere of support and camaraderie that we have worked long and hard to foster. Please reconsider how you reply to someone who you don’t see eye-to-eye with. Thank you.
In the spirit of respect please deliver the same message to those that purposely sow dissent, present company excluded of course. I’m not keen on you or anyone else who speaks with forked tongue. And in that spirit of renewed camaraderie and mutual support, please deliver your timely message to the “Best to Most” poster on Sunday. That only seems fair. Thank you.
I guess my message fell on deaf ears.
Coyote Montane wrote:
For example, the rule of thumb is not to do doubles until you're at 70 plus miles a week. Well for the past 10-12 years I've sometimes done doubles at 50-60 mile weeks. Sometimes due to schedule--it can be hard to get a continuous full hour some days, so breaking it up into short sessions has worked. And other times I'm tired & beat up, so a 4 and 5 mile double goes easier than grinding out 9 or 10.
That's a big Hell yeah! I run two 4's, 3&5, 4&6... a lot on easy days. (never double on workout days) Same reasons as CM and to me, an 8-10 mile run isn't really an easy day anymore, regardless of what pace its run at. And that's at 55-60 mpw.
Dave
Racerdb wrote:
Coyote Montane wrote:
For example, the rule of thumb is not to do doubles until you're at 70 plus miles a week. Well for the past 10-12 years I've sometimes done doubles at 50-60 mile weeks. Sometimes due to schedule--it can be hard to get a continuous full hour some days, so breaking it up into short sessions has worked. And other times I'm tired & beat up, so a 4 and 5 mile double goes easier than grinding out 9 or 10.
That's a big Hell yeah! I run two 4's, 3&5, 4&6... a lot on easy days. (never double on workout days) Same reasons as CM and to me, an 8-10 mile run isn't really an easy day anymore, regardless of what pace its run at. And that's at 55-60 mpw.
Dave
Me too. In the summer, I will often do 30 min morning and evening when it is really hot. And a few years ago when plagued by calf issues, I could not run 30 minutes continuously, so ran 20 minutes (or less) twice a day at one point. I could still survive a 5k doing that.
As one approaches 70 it is easier to take smaller bites of training thru logging smaller blocks of stress. Say for example, Monday thru Wednesday where you run some doubles and faster training, Thursday, Friday easy, long run Saturday and Sunday off. I think for a 1500m/5,000m runner this is possibly a more effective pattern of training than trying to squeeze into a volume focused schedule. This is something I have been experimenting with and it seems to get me a good balance of frequency, intensity and duration. I agree that for those who's racing focus is 10,000m/marathon this schedule would be less effective. The training pattern would look like this:
Monday: AM/PM Intervals/Repetitions
Tuesday: Easy Exercises/Weights
Wednesday: AM/PM Tempo/Critical Velocity
Thursday: same as Tuesday
Friday: Easy
Saturday: Long Run
Sunday: Off
Been on a weekly streak of this Hill Session in my neighborhood. NE PDX 35th > 36th > 37th = 1 set of 3 hills, taking about 2:10 > 1:35 > 60 with a 2-3min slow recovery jog down NE 38th. I've been doing 3 sets. I must tell you this because of a belief that hills might just be the safest most effective workout us old horses could do. One might suggest a longer hill in the mix but let me tell you I get my HR up to 180 by the third set... measured by the old reliable carotid artery index finger count for 10 secs multiplied by 6. I find this way more reliable than my Garmin watch or any HR Monitor.
Do y'all concur that hills are safe due to less pounding, no spikes or racing flats, and glute and formwork?
I'm going to keep this up weekly (3 so far) and only add a weekend LSD run with some tempo mixed in the middle; until I am confident in my fitness and gut-weight reduction before touching any trackwork.
KP
I turn 50 today, ran 5.0 miles this morning to celebrate.
All in all I feel pretty good. I'm running without an ACL in my left knee -- I ruptured it playing soccer two years ago -- but the knee generally feels OK. My running career started late, only truly about five years ago, so I'm still in the "getting faster" phase.
Thanks to everyone keeping this thread going!