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See above banter...
If one Googles “walking for distance runners” there are a host of articles outlining the benefits. In fact Jeff Galloway has made a business out of his run/walk program. I ran with Jeff in Lake Tahoe the summer of 1975 covering as much as 175 miles in a week. No walking by the way, but I was only 24 at the time.
Igy
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
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I read it all and see nothing to support your statement.
Look, training is goal specific. How about someone recovering from a stroke and learning to become mobile again? I would thinking walking would be a huge part of that kind of training. With fitter people, many use technology to track their steps (a.k.a. walking mileage). Just because these folks are not also running does not mean that walking cannot be training.
I agree with your point. The comment was being facetious. Earlier in the posts I was referencing “old guy” said “I don’t consider walking to be stressful, so it is not included in my weekly mileage...”
Male 58
I want to applaud this thread for being supportive and informative
unlike most posts on this forum. I see that a lot seems to know each other
also in private, but you nevertheless takes time to answer strangers.
For third week in a row I got myself to running 40-45 miles, more than ever
before in my whole life.
I get a bit overexcited maybe, not letting myself have restdays,
and I am running to the barn more often than not.
I will do the 10 k timetrial once my local track is free of snow. Good article!
I count walking as part of my week if I go more than 2 kilometers
(then normally brisk and with strides inbetween), but it is counted as walking
in my log.
I use trainingpeaks as a device to keep track of all my training and it works well.
The most noticeable effect of upping my mileage is that I swim faster!
I always assumed that it was lack of endurancepower in my arms
(and lack of mithocondria there) that restrictet my swimmingspeed,
but it sure seems like I have reached a new
level of vo2max that swimming benefits from.
Have a nice week!
Hey I count racewalking in my weekly milage. I walk as fast as many run anyways. Would I count say hiking? No, but I don't use hiking as part of my training. If a person is conting their training volume and part of that training program is walking to recover then they should count it as part of their training. If it isn't part of their training program or they don't want to count it then they should not have to. So simple as this. Let it be.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
I agree with your point. The comment was being facetious. Earlier in the posts I was referencing “old guy” said “I don’t consider walking to be stressful, so it is not included in my weekly mileage...”
I agree with him.
AK-67 wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
I agree with your point. The comment was being facetious. Earlier in the posts I was referencing “old guy” said “I don’t consider walking to be stressful, so it is not included in my weekly mileage...”
I agree with him.
You need a course in logic.
So a post-race pub crawl could be logged as a cool down???
runlebec wrote:
So a post-race pub crawl could be logged as a cool down???
As long as the serve Beck’s lebec.
AK-67 wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
I agree with your point. The comment was being facetious. Earlier in the posts I was referencing “old guy” said “I don’t consider walking to be stressful, so it is not included in my weekly mileage...”
I agree with him.
I can't argue with Ghost's position on what constitutes training since he finished just in front of me years ago when we both raced Henry Rono .
Thanks oldguyII. All I know is the walking is working for you and I must say I have been feeling a surge of improvement lately. So I am sticking with it. Perhaps we should table the discussion with an appropriate line: “Best to Most.”
Igy
Dam Igy that is pretty studly!
Changing the subject a bit. I was wanting to try the MAF (maximum aerobic function or maffetone aerobic function) to see where I am at . The test is either 3 or 5 miles at 180 hr - age I know kinda a wierd way to get a maximum aerobic hr in fact I do not buy this piece of maffetones pie. So this puts me around 120 which feels really easy . First attempt was Saturday but changed the workout when I realized that a MAF at 8 minute miles was a pipe dream . Today I returned to the scene of the crime and did this instead:
March 5th
CharlieMaf Test
1600s on track HR measured pulse at neck for 10 seconds (bpm/%MHR with 60 RHR and 186 MHR)
36 degrees 10mph wind wearing lonepeaks 3.5 warmups and 3 tops plus jacket
18 (104/35%) 11:04
20 (120/47%) 10:02
22 (132/57%) 9:06
24 (144/66%) 8:10
I figure finger on neck is probably off by 10 beats a minute but still I am happy with the above. The 8:10 felt like conventional daily pace a bit faster than easy but not hard at all. Also this was a very pleasant run topped off with slow jogging to reach my daily 50 minutes.
Probably should have been doing this base stuff last year but I am ok with this as I did learn and do appreciate the slow process of regaining true fitness.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
AK-67 wrote:
I agree with him.
You need a course in logic.
I don’t think so. Walking can be training for some. For runners, not so much imho.
AK-67 wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
You need a course in logic.
I don’t think so. Walking can be training for some. For runners, not so much imho.
Perhaps one day I will be a runner like you. You can follow my progress weekly and let me know how I am doing.
Igy
A firestorm on walking for a running forum! My point earlier on walking during my runs is that I'm recovering from quintuple bypass surgery. Not an easy thing to do as they rip the veins out of both legs to use as arteries for the bypasses and my heart has some damage from the cardiac arrest. I have to walk as part of my rehab, which counts in my training and I document the walks which factor into the overall run pace. I thought I would be better than new coming out of the hospital, but I soon learned the opposite.
As was mentioned about Jeff Galloway (who I have run with quite a bit living in Atlanta), his walk/run method has inspired many folks to get off the couch and participate. A walk/run is not going to get any one a sub 20 minute 5K and that is ok. Each person is different, and how they measure their running goals is ok, as long as they have some type of measurement. The Masters 10K XC Championships in Spokane was my first attempt at 6 miles since surgery without walking. My finish time was nearly 12 minutes off my prior cardiac arrest 10Ks. Disappointing, but a place to start and improve upon as I recover. My walking is getting less, and hopefully the walk breaks will be a thing of the past; however, I will incorporate walks with my wife and dog for the low stress of mild cardio work.
In regards to walking as viable training, it is not just the activity, but how it is implemented.
Sixty year olds training as if one is still in the 50s is great if you can do it. Why do the age groups thin as we get older? Infirmities of age, of which I am an example. But also refusing to adapt to the aging process is an important factor. Maintaining proper weight is a key along with enthusiasm to train. Strength training be it resistance and weight training have been proven to be beneficial to the 60+ population. These factors are often discussed.
What is not discussed as frequently is biomechanics. Incorrect running posture just to “run” increases the opportunity for injury. Sloppy running increases the injury potential as one ages. Logging running miles is just one component in a proper training program and increasing in importance as one moves from the 800 meters to the marathon. At what point does increasing volume become counterproductive? When I was a young man training for the marathon it was probably 140 miles a week. As a 68 year old training for races from 800 meters to 5,000 meters it is somewhere south of 50 miles, I suppose.
Most of us can construct a hard training session, be it 800 meters or a marathon. What constitutes an easy day, especially for a 60 year old or someone younger that continues to fight injury? The benefits of biking, elliptical, cross country skiing or swimming are well documented. But what about a mixture of walking and running? A substitute to another session pounding your joints and connective tissue? Perhaps 3 miles undertaken with quality form, running straightaways and walking the curves, is superior to 3 miles of sloppy road work. I would consider sloppy running to be sitting in the bucket, poor foot plant, center of gravity behind belly button, etc.; really anything that creates a chain of bad biomechanics, resulting in joint and muscular stress.
So when you pound your chest logging your running miles is it a plus or a minus? Is it a false sense of security, your Linus blanket? Or is something different that gets you to the starting line healthy and ready to race?
Igy
I’d have to say yes.
Even if I cannot see you (because you are a ghost) I will try to follow you GhOfI.
I am very much in favor of:
Any activity (even standing in contrast to sitting) give positive outcome, surely
a more vigorous activity result in more positive results, but you always try to prosper
at the stage of life and condition you find yourself at.
wreg14,
Tell Jeff that Reid Harter said hello. Hopefully he remembers me from the Lake Tahoe days of 1975.
Igy