A definite "WTF man!?" to the BYU guy throwing shoulder and elbow into everyone. If I were Oregon or Sac State I would certainly have some choice words for that jerk after the race. Unacceptable behavior in a race.
A definite "WTF man!?" to the BYU guy throwing shoulder and elbow into everyone. If I were Oregon or Sac State I would certainly have some choice words for that jerk after the race. Unacceptable behavior in a race.
I was at the race on the corner at the beginning of the final straight. The Oregon kid had just made a big move outside and had moved from near the back or the pack to around 4th, as they were coming out of the corner, right in front of us, this other runner moved sort of over the top of the Oregon kid, clipping his shoe. The Oregon kid kept running but had the back of his shoe off for several strides. Somehow the shoe looked like it slipped back on and the Oregon kid finished pretty well. After yesterday's quarterfinals, I saw a reporter interviewing Guyota and asked about the protest. The Oregon kid (Guyota) showed him something on his foot, probably spike marks, and said something about it being really sore. From what I saw, a protest would be legit. LR posters here need to get a life and quit whining about anything and everything Oregon.
Get a load of that BYU jerk. Why wasn't he DQ'd? For the sake of the birthers who are showing their hate here, Guyota just missed qualifying to advance after getting placed back into the quarterfinals. So, he was a legitimate runner, and only 12 will be advancing to Des Moines--not an extra one as the poster claims. Typical LetsRun A..holes.
When I was running in college, I would have welcomed a coach like Lananna who goes to bat for his runners. I got screwed out of a Conference placing by a guy who bulldozed me, yet my coach didn't have the gonads to go to bat for me with a protest. Anyone who knocks a great coach like Lananna, shows they know nothing.
coach d wrote:
coach not named pete watson wrote:Meanwhile at the east regional, UNC's Kendra Schaaf was in a qualifying position in the 10k with 500 meters to go and is knocked down and meet officials tell UNC they absolutely have been told not to advance more than 24 per event to Des Moines.
Yet out west, they run 25 in the 2nd round. And surprise, surprise it's an Oregon runner.
Which is why so many of us coaches love Oregon so much. He probably advanced one runner for each REAL scholarship he has for his team (each sex). Totally corrupt. But if you file a protest, guess who decides?
Call the W-a-a-ambulance, coach dumbskull!
...someone check this guy's IP. Anyone dare to bet AGAINST it being in Oregon?
If the Oregon guy was impeded, then the Air Force guy should be DQ'd. Period. The middle ground isn't defensible. Complete crap, always an expectation from a meet at Oregon, of course.
bon mot escargot wrote:
http://www.runnerspace.com/members/photos/2572/141328_full.jpghttp://www.runnerspace.com/members/photos/2572/141329_full.jpgSo here are two photos of the finish of Guyota's heat. Both shoes look to be on to me. Not that anyone expects honesty out of Lananna at this point, but here's visual evidence directly contradicting the story out of Eugene.
The pictures may contradict the shoe thing, but the pictures clearly show Guyota was impeded at the line. Best way to avoid that situation is get out front and control the race as slow or fast as you please.
Sac State looks like he was just jogging along, the kid is a straight baller it looks like to me.
"Obviously", you must need a W-a-a-ambulance again. Jealous babies cry. Admit is for a change, Lananna can recruit, coach and win--all things that you obviously cannot do. W-a-a-a-a-!
"Impeding" like the BYU guy is doing happens at the end of every super-tight 800 ever. As an 800 runner, I know.
Vinnie can cheat with the best of them too.
I don't see any cheating here. Just a bunch of whiny little bitches posting here that are jealous of Oregon. Get a pair of balls and go train so you can compete.
The negativity isn't about competing or training. I'm personally too old to compete, and have no allegiances to anyone except to see good competition in the sport I love. The BYU kid is unacceptable. He should be DQ'd. I also hate oregon, not because of the runners, which I'm sure train hard and are fine people, but because of Vin Lananna, who as other posters mentioned is shady in many areas of competing.
It has nothing to do with "growing a pair" or whining. Whining is complaining about things which are normal aspects of life everyone deals with. It isn't normal to just advance runners on protest, yet oregon seems to get away with it more often than other schools. its about fairness in a pure sport, and not getting your runners advanced by diplomacy. Maybe the oregon kid should have trained harder and never been a position of potentially not advancing, what about that?
"It has nothing to do with "growing a pair" or whining. Whining is complaining about things which are normal aspects of life everyone deals with. It isn't normal to just advance runners on protest, yet oregon seems to get away with it more often than other schools. its about fairness in a pure sport, and not getting your runners advanced by diplomacy. Maybe the oregon kid should have trained harder and never been a position of potentially not advancing, what about that?"
What about you getting a brain. The Oregon kid was an 18 year old freshman who got knocked around a bit during the latter part of the race. I would think he trained to the max just to get to this high level race. Any coach worth his salt would protest for his athlete in a case like this. And let's not forget, the protest officials were NCAA people--not Oregon people. You put a knock on Lananna's "diplomacy", making it sound as if you prefer teaching these young athletes to advance by turning it into a blood sport instead of one of fairness. You sir need to grow up.
misplaced - Could you give us several examples of Lananna being shady in (many) areas of competing. My emphasis. you must have documented several to state something like that.
Bloodsport. Nice. You hit the nail on the head there. People get knocked around in races all the time. You ever compete in the NCAA at this level? was it in a field event? I guess coaches of most athletes aren't worth a salt, and by your definition this means almost everyone except lananna. Its obvious you have a clear bias toward oregonr, as does anyone defending lananna here. Oregon wannabes and parents probably. Plus, lananna would do this for anyone, regardless of their age. Like lananna is going out on a limb because of some special circumstance, the kid being a freshman? retard. Everyone trains their ass off to get to that point, no reason this kid should advance more than anyone else in s similar spot, yet every race has a first one not to make it. Who said anything about the officials not being NCAA? hence the word diplomacy. if they were oregon officials, lananna would be practicing being a boss, giving orders to his ppl. what are you teaching athletes? how to not qualify and still get into the next round?
Sammy The Knife wrote:
And let's not forget, the protest officials were NCAA people--not Oregon people. You put a knock on Lananna's "diplomacy", making it sound as if you prefer teaching these young athletes to advance by turning it into a blood sport instead of one of fairness. You sir need to grow up.
This is actually incorrect...at this level, it is not required that the meet officials are NCAA officials only at the nationals in Des Moines. At this meet, the head meet officials were both Oregon officials, and reportedly they were advised by NCAA and USATF "advisors" not to advance the runner, but after meeting with Vin Lannana (which no other protesting coach would get), the runner was advanced
fowl wrote:
This is actually incorrect...at this level, it is not required that the meet officials are NCAA officials only at the nationals in Des Moines. At this meet, the head meet officials were both Oregon officials, and reportedly they were advised by NCAA and USATF "advisors" not to advance the runner, but after meeting with Vin Lannana (which no other protesting coach would get), the runner was advanced
If this is true, then it pretty much confirms Lanana's shadiness, does it not?
Bloodsport. Nice. You hit the nail on the head there. "People get knocked around in races all the time. You ever compete in the NCAA at this level? was it in a field event? I guess coaches of most athletes aren't worth a salt, and by your definition this means almost everyone except lananna. Its obvious you have a clear bias toward oregonr, as does anyone defending lananna here. Oregon wannabes and parents probably. Plus, lananna would do this for anyone, regardless of their age. Like lananna is going out on a limb because of some special circumstance, the kid being a freshman? retard. Everyone trains their ass off to get to that point, no reason this kid should advance more than anyone else in s similar spot, yet every race has a first one not to make it. Who said anything about the officials not being NCAA? hence the word diplomacy. if they were oregon officials, lananna would be practicing being a boss, giving orders to his ppl. what are you teaching athletes? how to not qualify and still get into the next round?"
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Obviously reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points (along with rationality or proper use of English grammer), but let's not get into that. I think your credibility and level of jealousy is pretty well spelled out with your post. Have a nice day, if that is possible for a guy like you.