List of 15 Track Athletes Victor Conte Gave Steroids To

Trevor Graham

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Really. Inform us old wise one. What killed her then, old age?

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Was it not some form of fit in her sleep and she swollowed her tounge or died on her vomit.Was not her husband in someway associated with her death.Did not do enough to save her.

The coroner said no evidence of drug association.

All the above is from memory but I am confident it reflects matters.

What arguments do you have to add wisdom to the issue?

Do you work for the USATF cover-up magazine TNF News. The down side of taking potent hormone based drugs ... is death in some cases.

Where do you get the last comment from.The downside of water is also death(water intoxication,not drowning).All products in excess have significant downsides ,inc the allowed anti inflabs.

What if it turned out that banned drugs are healthy when taken in moderation.

thinittru wrote:

Can you think originally and not repeat the same crap.

How's this for an idea? Don't repeat your own "same crap" over and over.

And how about answering my questions:

#1 What is your view of drugs in the sport of track & field?

#2 Do you think there should be no testing?

#3 Why do you consistently argue on the side of those either busted or very guilty looking?

#4 If you were running things at WADA, other than shutting the whole organization down, what would you do differently to prevent athletes from using drugs to enhance their performance?

We'll start there and I'll come up with more questions when you answer those fairly.

Thanks,

BDG

Generally and in theory, I agree with what you are saying, but look at what transpired with the scumbag Chris Webber, his father, and aunt all lying to a grand jury. I was sure he'd get real jail time since the maximum fine was smaller than he makes for 1 game. He got freakin' community service. A good lawyer and a scared USADA will get anyone of these doping bafoons off. Lying to a grand jury, if you have the means, which MJ and others on that list do, does not by any means equate to jail time, unfortunately.

I have already answered these Q for you but you seem not to have been interested.However I will do so again, but in summary.

1.#1 What is your view of drugs in the sport of track & field?

A PR exersise by the controllers.We should concentrate on health issues.

2#2 Do you think there should be no testing?

There should be testing for a revised list .Such testing should be within the normal rules of privacy etc and human rights .For example I would not have a child strip and have their urination watched by a stranger in a closed room.

3#3 Why do you consistently argue on the side of those either busted or very guilty looking.

Not quite so as I have said the whole of the sport is tainted and has been since the late 70's.The testers cant test correctly and try and bash on in the face of normal science .Thus the guilty cant be distinguished from the innocent.In taking sides of the underdog I hope to bring WADA to its senses and realise it is impossible to do what they have in mind.As it happens Pound has said the same thing.

4#4 If you were running things at WADA, other than shutting the whole organization down, what would you do differently to prevent athletes from using drugs to enhance their performance

WADA allow enhancers, can you not grasp this point.The issue is which enhancers and why.I would allow more enhancers than they do.Take some interest in health matters and concentrate on those products that are really unheathy.Those that have banged on about controlling drugs for the sake of health have done fxxk all about health over the last 40 years.They are not interested in the athlete only their power position.

The whole thing is relative.As I recall there are over 60 Brits that die each year on the Alps.I understand that two wrongs dont make a right but I hope you see my point about relative.Each year 100's retire will injuries which may need a series of serious ops.Do they care ,do they fxxk .

I would also take some serious attempts at testing outside the normal western countries,Pound has agreed that we now have the most uneven playing fields ever.

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Will that do for now.

It does not help when you insult by saying crap.I have presented many new comments ,compared with the trite simple stuff that appears it is not crap.

I have not checked for presentation,so sorry if mistakes.

You're a fraud. Ban these scumbags from track forever. I for one will be booing the hell out of them at Trials. I also will be sporting a "Drug Free" shirt. These people (including Lagat, Jacobs, Jones and Montgomery) are frauds. They have defiled our sport.

Don't forget the rest of the list.

Tank wrote:

You're a fraud. Ban these scumbags from track forever. I for one will be booing the hell out of them at Trials. I also will be sporting a "Drug Free" shirt. These people (including Lagat, Jacobs, Jones and Montgomery) are frauds. They have defiled our sport.

Stop over reacting you silly drama queen.

We still don't know who took what and when. Most of the posters so far on this thread are totally misunderstanding the fact that we have no evidence other than hearsay.

have you seen all the shit that has happened to NFL player's kids? (i think it's actually statistically significant). they've outperformed their peers.... in cases of down's syndrome.

"thinking originally" doesnt entail "blatantly breaking the rules of inferential logic" "ignoring ockham's razor" and "acting as if certain pieces of evidence do not exist"

The uproar on this board over this little bit of info will pale in comparison to the turd-storm that will hit when the depth of the E. African drug problem (EPO, Repoxygen) hits the open air. That is, if it hits the air in the next couple of years. The African drug use could be covered up for decades just like the juicing of the "unbeatable" American sprinters was covered up by US officials, IAAF officials, etc. A fine sport was ruined years ago.

Ban them all

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have you seen all the shit that has happened to NFL player's kids? (i think it's actually statistically significant). they've outperformed their peers.... in cases of down's syndrome

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I reply ;

I am interested,what makes you say this.

Also please advise what evidence I ignore.

Shruggin' wrote:

The uproar on this board over this little bit of info will pale in comparison to the turd-storm that will hit when the depth of the E. African drug problem (EPO, Repoxygen) hits the open air. That is, if it hits the air in the next couple of years. The African drug use could be covered up for decades just like the juicing of the "unbeatable" American sprinters was covered up by US officials, IAAF officials, etc. A fine sport was ruined years ago.

BULLSHIT, ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT, YOU STUPID TROLL.

You wrote.

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The uproar on this board over this little bit of info will pale in comparison to the turd-storm that will hit when the depth of the E. African drug problem (EPO, Repoxygen) hits the open air. That is, if it hits the air in the next couple of years. The African drug use could be covered up for decades just like the juicing of the "unbeatable" American sprinters was covered up by US officials, IAAF officials, etc. A fine sport was ruined years ago.

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I reply.

Spot on,but would add by denying we add to the problem.

you said.

BULLSHIT, ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT, YOU STUPID TROLL.

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I reply ;

OK ,where are the limits of drugs.

By nation and by event.

If you are so clever lets hear what you have to think.

You said;

Ban them all.

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This takes the debate on!

You wrote,

I for one will be booing the hell out of them .

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I reply,

You better take a lot of wind as you might as well boo the whole day,have you any idea what World Class is about.I think not.