Dear Americans if you want AR be prepared to run sub 12:49 this year. Sincerely Bernard Lagat

Ok, Mr. EPO Lagat........

12:49 if Mr. Bernard Lagat says he's aiming for 12:49 be assured he thinks he's capable of 12:47 and being safe by only saying 12:49.

Consider 12:49 a done deal this summmer and out of the reach of his fellow Americans.

Guppy wrote:If Lagat runs ``12:50 it will really make me wonder what he was capable of in his prime. Obviously he's no slouch even at his current age, but considering he was a 3:26 man at one time (TEN YEARS AGO!) and is probably a 3:30 man (at best) now, that makes me wonder.

Would have been great to put Lagat and El G in a 3000m WR attempt circa 2001.

it's pretty difficult to predict what he coud do for 5k, as historically, until last year his one great time was that 3'26

i'd reckon 3'30 is bit too quick for him & those ole legs have to have lost some speed, but we can go with 3'30 - 3'31

now i'd reckon his likely current ( theoretical ) 10k ability is somewhere between 26'55 - 27'10 ( probably nearer slower end )

trying :

3'31/27'10 ->7'26.5 , 12'54.2

3'31/27'05 ->7'26.0 , 12'52.7

3'31/27'00 ->7'25.4 , 12'51.1

3'31/26'55 ->7'24.9 , 12'49.5

3'30/27'10 ->7'25.3 , 12'53.0

3'30/27'05 ->7'24.7 , 12'51.4

3'30/27'00 ->7'24.2 , 12'49.9

3'30/26'55 ->7'23.6 , 12'48.3

call me sceptical, but i'm finding it hard to see a sub-12'50 in his stars

incidentally, back in his "prime" of 3'26, i'd be doubtful he couda gone better than 27'10 - 27'20 as he wasn't doing the endurance work of nowdays :

3'26 / 27'20 ->7'21.3 , 12'51.3

3'26 / 27'15 ->7'20.7 , 12'49.7

3'26 / 27'10 ->7'20.2 , 12'48.1

he had a shot at 3k wr back then, but barely <12'50

Jesus Christ, nobody is authentic American the way you stupid f***s want it.

Dur dur dur, he was born on an American base in Japan, that makes him Japanese. How dense are you dumbf***s, American citizenship=American thats the beauty in being in a country that isn't a shit-hole like Africa.

That means everyone will just sit on Lagat once the pacer drops off - cuz they know he's gunning for 12:49 and has to push the pace. Easy target.

Taking a few of your numbers Ventolin such as the following, 3'31/27'05 -> 7'26.0 , 12'52.7, I think Lagat can comfortably run in the right race all but the 3000. From a practical viewpoint (ie how the athletes find it), running 13-minute pace (ie 62s) and then kicking to 54 (as Lagat basically did last year in Oslo) was quite comfortable for him. He said later he felt so easy running those laps at that pace. He looked so easy. But running 60s and then finishing in 7:26 is very difficult (for him and othhers). Your numbers underestimate the 3000. Note that when Lagat ran 3:28 in 2000 he really struggled to run 7:33 that year. It was the hardest race physically he has ever run; was just not equipped for 60 second pace (5mins at 2000) even though he could run under 3:30.

You see it's the question of being in the right race. Ask yourself what Lagat would run in Monaco this year if say Kipchoge & Sihine (or others) ran 12:46/47 like in Rome a few years ago. A Lagat who is focused on that race (like in Oslo last year) would not be dropped.

Just a few alternative thoughts

all set... wrote:But running 60s and then finishing in 7:26 is very difficult (for him and othhers). Your numbers underestimate the 3000

not really

3'30/27'05 ->7'24.7 , 12'51.4

look up saidi-sief

i shoud expand that :

3'30/27'05 ->4'46.9 , 7'24.7 , 12'51.4

ventolin^3 wrote:

all set... wrote:But running 60s and then finishing in 7:26 is very difficult (for him and othhers). Your numbers underestimate the 3000

not really

3'30/27'05 ->7'24.7 , 12'51.4

look up saidi-sief

He was quite obviously a doper. That was one of the races that proved it. I made the comments about the 3000 based on how elite athletes experience the race and the ease or otherwise they have running under 7:30. I don't plan to get into an exchange of hostilities that I know you attract.

how about

3'30/12'40 ->7'20.8

that make him a doper as well ???

Vent

Go vent somewhere else and lose your charts and tables, moron. Those table are estimates and not written in stone about any particular runner. Even if those charts were based on a certain athlete it wouldn't be 100% for other athletes, as other athletes have different talent levels, training, strengths, and weakness. Just because someone's charts you found and you live by says Bernard can't doesn't mean he won't you clown.

Noone wants to hear you go on about your charts and when proven wrong you don't have the decency to come back and say you and your precious charts were a waste of time.

BERNARD AND HIS COACH thinks he can run 12:49 and I think they know more about Bernard's training and current ability then you and your chart!!!!!!

Trying,

3:26 --> 7:29 --> 12:49

Yup, should be no problem for him.

ventolin^3 wrote:

how about

3'30/12'40 ->7'20.8

that make him a doper as well ???

Who?

It is apparent that Lagat is doping. There is no way that he can run that fast in his age. EPO or blood transfusion? It reminds me of Eddy and a few others. I just can not believe that this African is getting away. The system is really screwed. I d like to see his training regiment to compare to other elite athletes. Maybe he found some new revolutionary training system. I bet it includes a combination of HGH, EPO, roids, and blood transfusion. I smell another BALCO.

In regards to American distance running Bernard Lagat is G.O.A.T

Greatest Of All-Time American Distance Runner

Bernard Lagat (USA)

Titles:

2007 two GOLDS World Outdoor Championships 5000m, 1500m

2009 silver & bronze World Outdoor Ch 5000m, 1500m

2010 GOLD World Indoor Championship Gold 3000m

2010 two Gold Contential Championships 3000m, 5000m

American Records:

too many American records to list

Barriers:

First American under 7:30- 3000m

And first American to run sub 12:50- 5000m later this year

salutdelilah wrote:

he should know that the kenyan record is lower than 12:49. solinsky already holds the AR at 12:55.

You're stupid.

A Skeptic wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

how about

3'30/12'40 ->7'20.8

that make him a doper as well ???

Who?

Ventolin is obviously referring to Daniel Komen...

MAPIV wrote:

A Skeptic wrote:

Who?

Ventolin is obviously referring to Daniel Komen...

Um, that can't be, because Daniel Komen ran 3:29 and 12:39. The man sits at the right hand of God (or will one day) - you had better get his PRs right if you are going to talk about him.

when has Lagat talked big and not delivered?