Big Ups: Hall, 2:04.57 AR

mariner wrote:

That's a 2:06.53 with wind conversion.

You are acting like there is a valid conversion table similar to the altitude conversions. There isn't. Throwing that 2:06:53 in there is a weak attempt at belittling Hall's run.

Hall delivered! He took the favorable weather conditions and rolled. If he was born 20 years earlier he would be on the cover of Sports Illustrated next week. What an exciting time for the sport of marathoning. Congrats to the victor- Mutai was impressive.

Hey 'Runners World', I'll buy a copy of you mag next issue if it has Ryan Hall on the cover! What do you say?

malmo - your view on hall's performance? an effort worth a 2:08 or 2:09 from one of your comments, but impressed by his racing today or not?

Added Perspective wrote:

malmo wrote:

It is neither an AR nor an alltime best.

Exactly!

As others have said, that was a GREAT race by Hall but it is absolutely not the American Record! Hopefully Ryan's fan-boys will realize that after a good night's sleep.

malmo wrote:

kudzurnner, get a grip.

2:05:52 1 Robert Cheruiyot 2010

2:07:14 1 Robert Cheruiyot 2006

kudzurunner wrote:

If not the AR, this remains the all-time American best. It beats Robert K. Cheriyot's stunning then-record of 2:07:14 by two minutes and 17 seconds. It beats last year's even more stunning sub-2:06 by almost a minute. .

It is neither an AR nor an alltime best.

Malmo:

I'm surprised at you. You know that the Robert Cheruiyot who won in 2010 isn't the Robert K. Cheruiyot who won--and set the record I was referring to--in 2006.

You're a smart stat guy--much smarter than me. So why deliberately misrepresent my claim? You don't need to do that.

My claims stand. By "all-time American best," I obviously mean "all-time best by an American." That's exactly what it is. Period.

I never claimed that it was an AR.

You're being silly.

2:04:58 4 Ryan Hall 2011

2:05:52 1 Robert Cheruiyot 2010

2:07:14 1 Robert Cheruiyot 2006

My point is simple, really: This was a superb, timely, long-awaited race by Hall. He did not win. He did not place. But he proved something that needed proving--to those of us capable of appreciating it, and willing to appreciate it--when many, many doubters, in the aftermath of that lousy NYC half, were willing to call him a fool.

Anybody who earnestly tries to take away from the glory of the moment is making clear that they hew to a double standard. We KNOW how many catcalls Hall would have received if he'd bombed, or run a merely pedestrian time on an unusually fast day. Instead, he ran a record time. So? What exactly is he supposed to do in order to meet our impossible expectations?

They're not my expectations. As far as I'm concerned, he did what he had to do, and WHAT he did, for better or worse, belongs in the record books.

It also makes clear, or should make clear, that he does indeed know how to train himself.

hall ran the same as last year

he ll 211 the olympics

kudzurunner wrote:

(Hall) ran a record time.

Yes, he did: a personal record, not an American Record. Once again, a tremendous race by Ryan but the topic subject line is misleading.

Amazing performances by the top finishers - wish I actually saw the race.

Hall's <2:05 proves he is back and legit. I was nervous for him when he ran the NYC half, but I guess that was a fluke.

The net downhill is almost a non-factor. It would be different if Boston produced the fastest times in the world consistently, but it is not known for doing that. Flat courses are known for fast times. Otherwise, Geb and others would have planned their WR time trials on Boston rather than the other courses they have attempted (often successfully) them on.

It wasn't just wind, it was temperature, too. Humidity, UV index, and pollution levels could all play a role and we don't factor that in in making an asterisk on a performance. The conditions were very good for fast times and people made the most of them. Don't get me wrong, wind does help, but there is a lot more to today's fast times than wind.

Jimmy Munyala wrote:

Like we need to discount Malmo's AR from '77 because I rabbited for him

I'm not sure what your point you're trying to make with your bizarre post from left field, but FYI I actually I hammered from the 2nd lap to the 6th after a very slow first lap.

Snert wrote:

You are acting like there is a valid conversion table similar to the altitude conversions. There isn't. Throwing that 2:06:53 in there is a weak attempt at belittling Hall's run.

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What the hell is the matter with you guys? No one is belittling Hall's performance. He ran great. FOURTH in the Boston Marathon - get it?

If you can't understand the significance of what a major tailwind is in a race like Boston, you shouldn't be allowed to drive or operate heavy machinery.

kudzurunner wrote:

Malmo:

I'm surprised at you. You know that the Robert Cheruiyot who won in 2010 isn't the Robert K. Cheruiyot who won--and set the record I was referring to--in 2006.

You're a smart stat guy--much smarter than me. So why deliberately misrepresent my claim? You don't need to do that.

My claims stand. By "all-time American best," I obviously mean "all-time best by an American." That's exactly what it is. Period.

I never claimed that it was an AR.

You're being silly.

kudzurunner, what is your point? I didn't say they were the same runner, HEY THERE's TWO MARK WETMORES AS WELL!, I merely posted a list of the top performances at Boston. Where is the misrepresentation? Geeeez, talk about grasping for straws.

Thoughts on this > http://www.flotrack.org/topic/10094-Ryan-Hall-just-doesnt-have-it

Dr.S wrote:

It wasn't just wind, it was temperature, too. Humidity, UV index, and pollution levels could all play a role and we don't factor that in in making an asterisk on a performance. The conditions were very good for fast times and people made the most of them. Don't get me wrong, wind does help, but there is a lot more to today's fast times than wind.

Yes, ignore the elephant in the living room. That's not really 30 pounds of elephant shit in your lap.

dude malmo get a life. Hall's the man. no need to be disrespectful.

No one's being disrespectful. Quit trying to create drama where there is none.

Geb Gebramariam and Ryan Hall finished in about the same time at Boston.

Recently Gebramariam placed 3rd running the New York half in about 1:01(strong tail wind for the last few miles of his race) --> 1:04 eqivalent maybe.

Ryan Hall ran a half marathon recently in about 1:04.

So two 1:04 half marathoners running Boston in sub 2:05???

I don't know what point you are making but a tailwind at the NYC HM doesn't give you 3 minutes. The benefit of the tailwind was for 6 miles, and it was 10 miles/hour, about half of what it was at Boston.