At my school you'll get cut if you can't break 15. I'd say about 14:30 is average. Just because a lot of people suck doesn't mean 14:30 is any good.
At my school you'll get cut if you can't break 15. I'd say about 14:30 is average. Just because a lot of people suck doesn't mean 14:30 is any good.
reeality wrote:
I immediately thought 15 mins.
Me too. Upon further reflection, though, it's probably slower. There are droves on terrible teams we don't notice because they're not worth noticing. A single team might have 5 16:30 guys which would completely cancel out the 5 fastest guys nationally last year.
It is much more accurate to look at descending order lists rather than conference championship results. Many of these races are tactical and aren't nearly as fast as most athletes can/have run. For example 1oth at Big South conference was 15:41 but 10th on the list was 15:12.
chikin wrote:
MEAC - 10th best 5000 - 15:59
SWAC - 10th best 5000 at Conference - 16:31
A-10 - 10th best 5000 at Conference - 15:29
MAAC - 10th best 5000 at Conference - 16:32
Southern - 10th best 5000 at Conference (2008) - 15:29
Big South - 10th best 500 at Conference - 15:41
***21st in the Big South was 18:09.... on the track.
15:30 for an AVERAGE might be a bit fast. I know the above is just a quick sample from some of the smaller DI conferences but from looking at the results, 16:00-16:15 might be little more accurate for DI. There are a lot of schools that have really poor distance programs.
Why is there such a pervasive belief that all DI schools are the same? Yes, you have the elite 25 or 30 teams out there, but there are probably 3 times as many DI schools that would get trounced by some strong JUCO/D3 teams. Seriously. Let's please get beyond this misperception. I know PLENTY of DI schools where 15flat 5k would have you as a top 3 guy and 25:30 for 8k would have you being a top scorer for that same team. Plenty of schools that would love to have lrc's "average" runner.
With all that said, I believe I was average:)
a lot of shitty runners wrote:
At my school you'll get cut if you can't break 15. I'd say about 14:30 is average. Just because a lot of people suck doesn't mean 14:30 is any good.
At your school, there are also a bunch of morons. This has nothing to do with being good, it has to do with knowing what average is. If you really think 14:30 is the average time for a collegiate runner (across all divisions) you are a moron. Hell, even for D1 that is way too fast. Especially since I think that is below the qualifying time for DII, DIII, and NAIA.
Seriously, you really don't understand the concept of average?
I'm gonna add this: unless you run for Stanford, Oregon, Wisconsin, Indiana, Adams St or another VERY top tier school, please stop saying 14:30 is average at your college. It's ridiculous.
Runners have the lowest self esteem of any athletes I have ever known. If you asked almost any basketball player in HS or even a mediocre college player, they would probably say they were above average or on their way to the NBA. A runner on the other hand, thinks whatever he has run is below average unless he was a D1 All American.
Nappy Roots wrote:
I'm gonna add this: unless you run for Stanford, Oregon, Wisconsin, Indiana, Adams St or another VERY top tier school, please stop saying 14:30 is average at your college. It's ridiculous.
If you don't break 15 in college, you didn't try hard enough.
SelfExteemtion wrote:
Runners have the lowest self esteem of any athletes I have ever known. If you asked almost any basketball player in HS or even a mediocre college player, they would probably say they were above average or on their way to the NBA. A runner on the other hand, thinks whatever he has run is below average unless he was a D1 All American.
Nappy Roots wrote:I'm gonna add this: unless you run for Stanford, Oregon, Wisconsin, Indiana, Adams St or another VERY top tier school, please stop saying 14:30 is average at your college. It's ridiculous.
Bullshit. You apparently don't know too many basketball players.
a lot of shitty runners wrote:
At my school you'll get cut if you can't break 15. I'd say about 14:30 is average. Just because a lot of people suck doesn't mean 14:30 is any good.
Please post the school, I am very interested to know who does this.
lolz rofl. Only one guy on my D1 college team has broken 15 minutes and he is a 5th year guy from Ireland
Ok obviously this thread can be interpreted in tow ways. Literally taking the average 5k time from every runner's PR in a given season for each division is one way to do that. I am not going to attempt that but I would guess the answer would be somewhere around 15:25 for D1 if you throw out outliers (18:00+ etc). D2: prob like 16:10 and D3/NAIA prob like 16:20. But again just a guess.
Other way to interpret (which I think the OP had in mind) is what time is neither good nor bad, "average" but not in the literal sense. So this would be faster. D1: 14:50ish D2: 15:10 D3: 15:20.
Just FYI I go to a small D1 school and our average is something like 15:30. Basically we have a few mid 14 guys but there are like 4 guys that run 15:50 and a couple around 16. I also know for a fact that for every Oregon or Wisconsin, there are like 5 schools like mine.
I feel like TFRRS could be able to answer this pretty easily
ian edwards wrote:
If you don't break 15 in college, you didn't try hard enough.
There are lots of guys out there who like to run that don't have the greatest natural talent in the world.
Every guy out there who likes to run, except for one, in fact.
Obvious Answer wrote:
Ok obviously this thread can be interpreted in tow ways. Literally taking the average 5k time from every runner's PR in a given season for each division is one way to do that. I am not going to attempt that but I would guess the answer would be somewhere around 15:25 for D1 if you throw out outliers (18:00+ etc). D2: prob like 16:10 and D3/NAIA prob like 16:20. But again just a guess.
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please stop saying "if you throw out the outliers +18mins etc... then if you did this wouldn't you have to throw out the outliers who are under 13:45 etc. . . . I bet theres more people 18 + than there is sub 13:45, who's the real "outliers" here?
a lot of shitty runners wrote:
At my school you'll get cut if you can't break 15. I'd say about 14:30 is average. Just because a lot of people suck doesn't mean 14:30 is any good.
You are literally a turd. Everything you do and say is irrelevant because you were expelled from somebody's rectum.
There are a lot of hardworking runners out there that are proud just to get into the low 15's. Step off your high horse bro.
ian edwards wrote:
If you don't break 15 in college, you didn't try hard enough.
Really? So I guess you haven't tried hard enough yet....
BS wrote:
ian edwards wrote:If you don't break 15 in college, you didn't try hard enough.
Really? So I guess you haven't tried hard enough yet....
The "yet" is the key part of that sentence. I would be.. but thats a different story.
SelfExteemtion wrote:
Runners have the lowest self esteem of any athletes I have ever known. If you asked almost any basketball player in HS or even a mediocre college player, they would probably say they were above average or on their way to the NBA. A runner on the other hand, thinks whatever he has run is below average unless he was a D1 All American.
Nappy Roots wrote:I'm gonna add this: unless you run for Stanford, Oregon, Wisconsin, Indiana, Adams St or another VERY top tier school, please stop saying 14:30 is average at your college. It's ridiculous.
In other sports it's not as easy to measure how good you are compared to someone else. That's why you get so many parents in high school complaining about how their kid isn't starting line, because they can make those arguments and in the end it's a judgment call who is better.
In running it's straight forward, if runner A runs 15:00 and runner B runs 15:30, there's no question who's better. So it's a lot harder in our sport to lie to yourself and tell yourself you're good, because you know exactly how much you suck compared to everyone else.